[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

But Bots, we have to let everyone in! Otherwise we're all bloody racists!

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I generally hate this viewpoint from the right, it's just misinformation to further their agenda. It's like how the right in the US make out that gun control = banning all guns in order to completely disrupt any attempts of common sense gun control being implemented.

Nobody worth listening to on either the right, left or centre wants open borders.

It's a waste of time Dezzy, it doesn't matter how many times you say "sensible immigration controls are required" zitll just be met with the same old strawman sarcasm because its easier to win an argument against something made-up than to actually bother to formulate any sort of genuine reasoning.

"AHA! So you're saying you LOVE terrorists and you want them to live in your spare room! I knew it!"

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a waste of time Dezzy, it doesn't matter how many times you say "sensible immigration controls are required" zitll just be met with the same old strawman sarcasm because its easier to win an argument against something made-up than to actually bother to formulate any sort of genuine reasoning.

"AHA! So you're saying you LOVE terrorists and you want them to live in your spare room! I knew it!"

Tbf that is not mooted at all, for instance the Dover crossing where people are coming across from a safe country, and people highlight that this is not a safe way to accept immigrants, the argument is 'wouldn't you do the same in their shoes', etc etc etc

[Parmy]

thank you mods.....fed up with being branded racist on here...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf that is not mooted at all, for instance the Dover crossing where people are coming across from a safe country, and people highlight that this is not a safe way to accept immigrants, the argument is 'wouldn't you do the same in their shoes', etc etc etc

They're entirely separate arguments but I understand that not everyone gets that. You WOULD do the same in their shoes. It IS tragic that they have to undertake such dangers for the hope of a better life. Nothing in that is even suggesting that it's possible for us to accept unlimited immigrants; it's the difference between;

"Sorry, we sympathise with your situation, we know how hard life is for so many people, but unfortunately we can't take everyone in"

and

"Bleeeergh yuck! Immigrants! Trash! Turn them round!"



To clarify I suppose... it's the difference between saying that it's not logistically possible for US to take in huge numbers of migrants, and the suggestion that it's somehow immoral or wrong for THEM to try to get in... and that they deserve to be vilified or dehumanized for "daring to try" because they "should have been happy that they got to a safe country". Essentially suggesting that it's immoral for individuals to put the UK's economic concerns above the health and wellbeing of themselves and their own families... at a time when they are effectively living out of cardboard boxes. And even more bizarrely - the implication that any one of us in their situation would do the same. That if Europe was a bombed out shell and we somehow made it to a shanty town in eastern Russia, that we would just accept that as our new life, and wouldn't be trying to get to Canada, the US or Australia. That's NOT the same as saying that Canada, the US or Australia have a duty to take us in.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well object away, Lime. I stand by what I said, the dregs I referred to are the dregs. The criminals the terrorists, the pickpockets... dregs.

TBf Livia you have moved the goalpsts.

you started off refreing to immigrants as trash..and then went on to blame migrants for crime..You either have an opinions or not...maybe just own it ?
The oringial post of yours that I quoted was not about the "dregs" of soiceity .


You were takling about illegal migrants and referring to them as trash...take a moment and imagine the Uk didn't give your people a chance to settle...Then yor people would be illegal immigrants?

[Parmy]

Livia. ..are any of "your people" available for an aging old man?

[lime]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Livia. ..are any of "your people" available for an aging old man?

Get over yourself.....you are not an aging old man nor than i am as 46yr old woman...


I know what raciisim was gang raped at 13 ...my father and my favourite Oom
Were murdered by panga gangs..
I know what it is to be murdered and raped because you are white

[lime]

Livia does not hold a trump card on this matter..livia talks about the horiffic abuse her ancestors went through...she doesn't suffer herself but feels the need to call other migrants as trash

Anywayt I am listening to pink Floyd Us and Them.....maybe stomfom lite can take a day off and do the same

[Withano]

Originally Posted by lime

Livia does not hold a trump card on this matter..livia talks about the horiffic abuse her ancestors went through...she doesn't suffer herself but feels the need to call other migrants as trash

You’re not going mad, it is completely bizarre. ‘My immigrant status is ok because I’m great, all others are trash because I say so’. Bizarre.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Withano

You’re not going mad, it is completely bizarre. ‘My immigrant status is ok because I’m great, all others are trash because I say so’. Bizarre.

and when is somone going to talk about what happened to us Boers in the british concertation camps..
had the benifit of speaking to my greart ouma...The only survivor of 4

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lime

and when is somone going to talk about what happened to us Boers in the british concertation camps..
had the benifit of speaking to my greart ouma...The only survivor of 4

I think Nicky made a thread last year about that but it did not get beyond page 1 as it was over 100 years ago and only Smudgie could recall any specifics

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lime

and when is somone going to talk about what happened to us Boers in the british concertation camps..
had the benifit of speaking to my greart ouma...The only survivor of 4

I think you should be more concerned with what's happening to you boers today, than what happened before any of us was even born.

[lime]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think Nicky made a thread last year about that but it did not get beyond page 1 as it was over 100 years ago and only Smudgie could recall any specifics

Yes and the Holocast was just yesrday

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

I think you should be more concerned with what's happening to you boers today, than what happened before any of us was even born.

I AM concered as a Boers But it is not juju and the EFF who are totally resobsible...we still as Boers have a boss mentality..we need to get over that and engage otherwise the scum likw Juju will thrive,,,,jeez did you see now even the DA are wearing berets

so are saying folks should get over WW1..pretty sure that was over 100 years ago...much like the British conertraion camps

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by lime

I AM concered as a Boers But it is not juju and the EFF who are totally resobsible...we still as Boers have a boss mentality..we need to get over that and engage otherwise the scum likw Juju will thrive,,,,jeez did you see now even the DA are wearing berets

What the **** does this say

[lime]

Originally Posted by Smithy

What the **** does this say

its african ****..go poilsh your nails


Nothing to see here