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arista · 03-02-2019, 09:26 AM

No Confirmed names
No Confirmed date but said to be after Brexit.

[The Observer has been told by multiple sources that
at least six MPs have been drawing up plans to resign the whip and leave the party soon.
There have also been discussions involving senior figures about a potentially far larger
group splitting off at some point after Brexit, if Corbyn fails to do everything
possible to oppose Theresa May’s plans for taking the UK out of the EU]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...m-centre-group

user104658 · 03-02-2019, 09:37 AM

We desperately need a proper, sensible, socially responsible centrist option in the UK so honestly I hope we do somehow get one. Of course I'm somewhat skeptical that it wouldn't be a petty mess like every other political party.

arista · 03-02-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We desperately need a proper, sensible, socially responsible centrist option in the UK so honestly I hope we do somehow get one. Of course I'm somewhat skeptical that it wouldn't be a petty mess like every other political party.

So it can Fail?

Like it did years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...atic_Party_(UK)

The Slim Reaper · 03-02-2019, 11:37 AM

If this labour party is moving to the centre, then it's a shift left from their current centre-right inclination.

Underscore · 03-02-2019, 11:43 AM

**** sake just join the bloody Lib Dems. Where they are now is basically centre-left.

arista · 03-02-2019, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If this labour party is moving to the centre, then it's a shift left from their current centre-right inclination.

Yes 5 or 6 claim it will be Centre
But its just another load of NEW LABOURS Moaners

arista · 03-02-2019, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underscore

**** sake just join the bloody Lib Dems. Where they are now is basically centre-left.

LibDems have a old leader
that is standing down this year

So you do not move to a headless chicken party

Underscore · 03-02-2019, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

LibDems have a old leader
that is standing down this year

So you do not move to a headless chicken party

Labour is basically a headless chicken at this point, with their bloody leader and front bench who can't make their minds up on Brexit policy.

At least the Lib Dems have a good firm set of policies to do with Brexit, and those who don't agree and instead support May's Deal resign the whip and don't confuse the message

Tom4784 · 03-02-2019, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We desperately need a proper, sensible, socially responsible centrist option in the UK so honestly I hope we do somehow get one. Of course I'm somewhat skeptical that it wouldn't be a petty mess like every other political party.

Pretty much, I don't think a centre party can succeed tbh, when you look at parties succeeding that aren't the main three, it's often because they are on the extreme left or right.

arista · 03-02-2019, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underscore

Labour is basically a headless chicken at this point, with their bloody leader and front bench who can't make their minds up on Brexit policy.

At least the Lib Dems have a good firm set of policies to do with Brexit, and those who don't agree and instead support May's Deal resign the whip and don't confuse the message

No Corbyn wants Brexit
then in the next Election (2022)
he hopes to win , after Brexit

Underscore · 03-02-2019, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

No Corbyn wants Brexit
then in the next Election (2022)
he hopes to win , after Brexit

He'll never get my vote.

Labour voter? Not anymore. Lib Dem all the way.

Tom4784 · 03-02-2019, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underscore

He'll never get my vote.

Labour voter? Not anymore. Lib Dem all the way.

I'll never vote Lib Dem again after the tory coalition in which they basically surrendered all their principles for a taste of power.

Underscore · 03-02-2019, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'll never vote Lib Dem again after the tory coalition in which they basically surrendered all their principles for a taste of power.

Didn't surrender all of our principles

Spoiler:

Underscore · 03-02-2019, 12:22 PM

and I'll never vote Labour under this current brand of leadership after their betrayal.

bots · 03-02-2019, 12:44 PM

A new centrist party will never work. By definition it sits between the other parties and if they ever gain any traction, the other parties will just take their policies as their own. The same thing repeats itself over and over. The only parties that are unique are those that contain at least an element of extremism as that is what sets them apart.

arista · 03-02-2019, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underscore

He'll never get my vote.

Labour voter? Not anymore. Lib Dem all the way.

They do not care

There are loads of Labour zones
up north that demand
a Brexit

They matter to Corbyn
more than you.

Underscore · 03-02-2019, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

They do not care

There are loads of Labour zones
up north that demand
a Brexit

They matter to Corbyn
more than you.

I live in a marginal Labour constituency that flipped in 2017 by just 249 votes. I think he does need my vote.

Tom4784 · 03-02-2019, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underscore

and I'll never vote Labour under this current brand of leadership after their betrayal.

Good for you?

I don't know why you said that as if I'm voting labour and you wanted a bit of tit for tat tbh.

And the lib dems did surrender a lot of their principles which is why they were decimated in the following election. They should have walked away from the coalition to potentially force another election when the Tories forced through bedroom tax and the cuts to social spending and the NHS.

That coalition handed the Tories the next election and that's when the ****show really began. I can't forgive Lib Dems for that.

I don't know who I'll vote in future but I can guarantee it'll never be Tory, UKIP or Lib Dem.

Underscore · 03-02-2019, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Good for you?

I don't know why you said that as if I'm voting labour and you wanted a bit of tit for tat tbh.

And the lib dems did surrender a lot of their principles which is why they were decimated in the following election. They should have walked away from the coalition to potentially force another election when the Tories forced through bedroom tax and the cuts to social spending and the NHS.

That coalition handed the Tories the next election and that's when the ****show really began. I can't forgive Lib Dems for that.

I don't know who I'll vote in future but I can guarantee it'll never be Tory, UKIP or Lib Dem.

How many times have Labour and the Tories gone back on their principles? It's called compromise - Britain needed stability after the 2010 General Election. This was the best time to finally put some liberal laws into government.

If it was a Tory majority things would've been a lot worse.

joeysteele · 03-02-2019, 01:22 PM

Let them go I say.
Whoever they are and when they stop hiding behind anonymity.

They don't sound trustworthy or voteworthy to me.
Disloyal, moaners, bad losers and full of self importance.
The worst qualities of any would be or already so MPs.

Tom4784 · 03-02-2019, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underscore

How many times have Labour and the Tories gone back on their principles? It's called compromise - Britain needed stability after the 2010 General Election. This was the best time to finally put some liberal laws into government.

If it was a Tory majority things would've been a lot worse.

If Lib dems walked away from the coalition, it wouldn't have given the Tories a majority government right there and then. They would either have to quickly form another coalition (which wouldn't have happened) attempted a minority government or would have had to call another election.

Lib Dems made too many concessions in their greed for power and they paid for it in the election that followed and we all paid for it because they lost enough support to guarantee the Tories a majority government.

Tom4784 · 03-02-2019, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Let them go I say.
Whoever they are and when they stop hiding behind anonymity.

They don't sound trustworthy or voteworthy to me.
Disloyal, moaners, bad losers and full of self importance.
The worst qualities of any would be or already so MPs.

Tribalism isn't a good look, this is why I'd never join a party, you lose perspective and it becomes 'us vs them'.

Labour is a mess at the moment, if MPs want to leave to form a group that's balanced then go for it, it won't work but I'd support the effort.

Oliver_W · 03-02-2019, 01:38 PM

Can't Corbyn and his front bench split off and make a far left party we can all ignore, so Labour will actually stand a chance?

arista · 03-02-2019, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Let them go I say.
Whoever they are and when they stop hiding behind anonymity.

They don't sound trustworthy or voteworthy to me.
Disloyal, moaners, bad losers and full of self importance.
The worst qualities of any would be or already so MPs.

New MP's like Chris Leslie
are a likely one to jump
he was/is New Labour