[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Obviously I dont know it for sure do you know for sure they werent?

I'm sure I read though that they are both suing his estate.

would you not sue if you had been abused in that way?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Josy

Obviously I dont know it for sure do you know for sure they werent?

I'm sure I read though that they are both suing his estate.

Yes they are,for the second time ,first time it was thrown out there is a post on here about it somewhere.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

would you not sue if you had been abused in that way?

No,I would have gone for justice the first time round,but kudos to them for waiting till he died

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

would you not sue if you had been abused in that way?

Personally I wouldn't be interested in cash if I'd been abused in any way, money wouldnt change what had happened, mostly I would be seeking closure.

My opinion is that I don't believe either of them were abused.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No,I would have gone for justice the first time round,but kudos to them for waiting till he died

at their ages?

do you know of any precedent there?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well maybe people have actually read some articles and educated themselves about it.

Well that would make sense of course, looking more into anything can change opinions either way. What I couldn't make sense of, is claiming that the documentary made anyone think he was innocent, when they previously thought he was guilty. As amy Jade said her mum said, and Cherie said someone on the radio said too... if what they meant is that they looked into the case a bit more and changed their opinion, that does make a lot of sense obviously, whichever way it swung. the way it was put across, honestly had me baffled

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes and Bashir got a lot of stick for that as he twisted a fair bit of stuff, the 'story' tonight will no doubt be more or less like last nights,but I will watch it,not that I want to,not because I don't want to hear it but because I hate to think I have put any coffers or time into any of this,but if I am to comment I have to watch.

He got a lot of stick because he asked questioned Jacksons frenzied fans didnt want to accept the answers to !! Ive just re-watched Bashirs film and Jackson was found out several times bare face lying

1) At 1st when asked about Blankets Mam he sat she was a woman he was in a relationship with ,later on her said she was a surrogate he had never met

2) He said at 1st he had only had 1 operation on his face and that was on his nose to allow him to breathe better ,he then changed it to 2 on his nose, but denied every other op he had had, even his mate Stevie Wonder called him a liar on this one !! Everyone can see he had had a massive amount of facial surgery

This creep is a proven liar

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

their "cause " is to get justice for being abused sexually by a repulsive and committed paedophile

namely Michael Jackson

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He got a lot of stick because he asked questioned Jacksons frenzied fans didnt want to accept the answers to !! Ive just re-watched Bashirs film and Jackson was found out several times bare face lying

1) At 1st when asked about Blankets Mam he sat she was a woman he was in a relationship with ,later on her said she was a surrogate he had never met

2) He said at 1st he had only had 1 operation on his face and that was on his nose to allow him to breathe better ,he then changed it to 2 on his nose, but denied every other op he had had, even his mate Stevie Wonder called him a liar on this one !! Everyone can see he had had a massive amount of facial surgery

This creep is a proven liar

In your opinion Chuff , not mine I will not be brow beaten into thinking I am wrong at this point, sorry. tell me ,why didn't Bashir answer any questions at the trial ? Bashir is the pinnacle of everything that is wrong about media, and, actually, with the world. It was torture to see the documentary back in 2003,. He took advantage of a guy who was kind enough to open his house and his life to Bashir, backstabbing him in order to make a fortune. He convinced MJ to trust him and not only that sweet talked him off camera and praised him. Then when it came time for his cameras to roll and his documentary to air, he did a complete 180 and made him look like this wired unstable man with pedophilla type ways. He was more the reason why MJ had to stand trial and when it came time for him to testify he sat there like a dumb assh*** and wouldn't answer any questions. It so obvious that Bashir was setting Michael up with a false sense of trust, like a spider spinning his live victim into a web to kill him later! Michael never saw it coming. Bashir cleverly edited some of Michael’s responses and added his own sinister wrap-around commentary during post-production, showing just what a snake in the grass he really is! This is only one example of the kind of toxic “medialoid” journalism Michael endured for most of his life — the results of which I believe ultimately contributed to his demise.plus isn't Stevie Wonder blind ?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.van...llegations/amp



Please explain how he would know that

WOW !!! In Tuesday nights docu it tells of Jackson having his tackle photographed by the police, this ^^ will be the reason why

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

In your opinion Chuff , not mine I will not be brow beaten into thinking I am wrong at this point, sorry. tell me ,why didn't Bashir answer any questions at the trial ? Bashir is the pinnacle of everything that is wrong about media, and, actually, with the world. It was torture to see the documentary back in 2003,. He took advantage of a guy who was kind enough to open his house and his life to Bashir, backstabbing him in order to make a fortune. He convinced MJ to trust him and not only that sweet talked him off camera and praised him. Then when it came time for his cameras to roll and his documentary to air, he did a complete 180 and made him look like this wired unstable man with pedophilla type ways. He was more the reason why MJ had to stand trial and when it came time for him to testify he sat there like a dumb assh*** and wouldn't answer any questions. It so obvious that Bashir was setting Michael up with a false sense of trust, like a spider spinning his live victim into a web to kill him later! Michael never saw it coming. Bashir cleverly edited some of Michael’s responses and added his own sinister wrap-around commentary during post-production, showing just what a snake in the grass he really is! This is only one example of the kind of toxic “medialoid” journalism Michael endured for most of his life — the results of which I believe ultimately contributed to his demise.plus isn't Stevie Wonder blind ?

Kazanne, is there a reason you keep just copy and pasting other peoples answers from random places on the internet? Its quite odd, in a case you seem to be extremely into, to not have your own opinions to add?

Edited to add ... https://it.answers.yahoo.com/questio...AAfS8Ap&page=1

I pointed this out last night too, the copy and pasting other peoples opinions and not crediting them for it. :S

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not sure how it works I can only go by what is out there ,it seems the jury thought the families were not so trustworthy

In 2011, Universal Pictures released a documentary directed by David Gest, Michael Jackson: The Life of an Icon, arguing that Jackson was innocent.
In 2017, the documentary series The Jury Speaks (2017) covered the trial with four members of the jury. Some reported receiving anonymous threats, and one said someone had loosened the wheels on her car. All said they would acquit Jackson again, even in the wake of later allegations. One juror said: "It was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family , there wasn't a shred of evidence that was able to show us or give us any doubt in voting guilty."

So for me there are too many things that don't add up and until there is some solid evidence I will continue to be a fan ,being weird , eccentric and liking kids does not equal paedophile . just my opinion , no one has to like it.

But Kaz ,he didnt like "kids" he liked little boys ,but was clever enough to know if he said "I like little ,cute boys " he would instantly be judged for what he was ,so safeguarded himself ( or so he thought) by claiming he liked all kids

[Beso]

https://www.billboard.com/articles/n...-through-years


One of Michaels early mentors and producer of thriller.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i doubt they were paid, do you know this for sure?

According to this ,they were not paid

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...se-allegations

[Beso]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

WOW !!! In Tuesday nights docu it tells of Jackson having his tackle photographed by the police, this ^^ will be the reason why

In fairness they didn't match by what I've read.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

In your opinion Chuff , not mine I will not be brow beaten into thinking I am wrong at this point, sorry. tell me ,why didn't Bashir answer any questions at the trial ? Bashir is the pinnacle of everything that is wrong about media, and, actually, with the world. It was torture to see the documentary back in 2003,. He took advantage of a guy who was kind enough to open his house and his life to Bashir, backstabbing him in order to make a fortune. He convinced MJ to trust him and not only that sweet talked him off camera and praised him. Then when it came time for his cameras to roll and his documentary to air, he did a complete 180 and made him look like this wired unstable man with pedophilla type ways. He was more the reason why MJ had to stand trial and when it came time for him to testify he sat there like a dumb assh*** and wouldn't answer any questions. It so obvious that Bashir was setting Michael up with a false sense of trust, like a spider spinning his live victim into a web to kill him later! Michael never saw it coming. Bashir cleverly edited some of Michael’s responses and added his own sinister wrap-around commentary during post-production, showing just what a snake in the grass he really is! This is only one example of the kind of toxic “medialoid” journalism Michael endured for most of his life — the results of which I believe ultimately contributed to his demise.plus isn't Stevie Wonder blind ?

Yes Stevies blind, but can see MJ was lying about not have his entire face rebuilt ......... Honestly Kaz re watch Bashirs film

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

In fairness they didn't match by what I've read.

Im wowing at it being part of Tuesday show, I thought at 1st it was a load of ****e having photos taken of his nether regions, but it appears to be true

[Beso]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im wowing at it being part of Tuesday show, I thought at 1st it was a load of ****e having photos taken of his nether regions, but it appears to be true

Should have swabbed it for dna imo.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Kazanne, is there a reason you keep just copy and pasting other peoples answers from random places on the internet? Its quite odd, in a case you seem to be extremely into, to not have your own opinions to add?

Edited to add ... https://it.answers.yahoo.com/questio...AAfS8Ap&page=1

wtf

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No,I would have gone for justice the first time round,but kudos to them for waiting till he died

No one got judged or berated in waiting until Saville had died ?

[Beso]

Jimmy must have went to neverland.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Jimmy must have went to neverland.

#NoncesOfAFeather !!

[Beso]

This is a good read.....

https://www.quora.com/Was-Michael-Ja...y-a-paedophile

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes and Bashir got a lot of stick for that as he twisted a fair bit of stuff, the 'story' tonight will no doubt be more or less like last nights,but I will watch it,not that I want to,not because I don't want to hear it but because I hate to think I have put any coffers or time into any of this,but if I am to comment I have to watch.

Bashir was a 2 faced idiot , didn't he smile and say nice things about Michael's parenting then behind his back say he was worried for the children's safety ?? .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

wtf

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=324

As I said, pointed it out yesterday too..odd