[bots]

the DUP wont vote for the deal either now they have said, so it's basically going to be a rerun of the previous vote

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Riley.

It would probably just as close though. There's also the issue that a lot of people who voted to Leave were first time voters, and if there was another referendum it would cause that group of people (predominantly working class) to return to political apathy, which means that the turnout would probably be lower, and then how can you legitimise the result?

Actually most Brexit voters were the elderly.

Most first time voters went for Remain.

[LaLaLand]

How much money are we handing over for this deal exactly that we could save by having no deal?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Actually most Brexit voters were the elderly.

Most first time voters went for Remain.

Yes there were *young* first time voters who voted for Remain but a lot of people who voted for the first time were working class people from deprived areas who aren't usually engaged in politics (of any age) and to suggest Leave would lose because "the old people have died" would be disgusting.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Yes there were *young* first time voters who voted for Remain but a lot of people who voted for the first time were working class people from deprived areas who aren't usually engaged in politics (of any age) and to suggest Leave would lose because "the old people have died" would be disgusting.

They were sold a lie though, most of the areas that voted out are the ones that receive most funding from the EU and where factories are based who are now upping sticks, there wont be any halt in immigration either as 'controlled' immigration from outside the EU is far higher than within it

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Yes there were *young* first time voters who voted for Remain but a lot of people who voted for the first time were working class people from deprived areas who aren't usually engaged in politics (of any age) and to suggest Leave would lose because "the old people have died" would be disgusting.

Nothing disgusting about it, it's cold arithmetics

London's Evening Standard have done some research and according to them first time ref vote splits 3-1 for remain. Considering the over 60s were overwhelmingly for Brexit it's fair to say that the likelihood is that with every first time vote and every funeral the scales are tipping in favour of remain.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They were sold a lie though, most of the areas that voted out are the ones that receive most funding from the EU and where factories are based who are now upping sticks, there wont be any halt in immigration either as 'controlled' immigration from outside the EU is far higher than within it

There's no doubt that some lies were told but at the same time the treatment of the EU towards the UK has kind of counteracted those lies from what I have seen over the past two years. People who voted Leave might have been persuaded to vote Remain in another referendum if it wasn't for a combination of an 'established elite' trying to overturn their democratic decision and the establishment in the EU giving us a difficult time. That, is the reason why many leavers would vote Leave again and why the 'they were told a lie' argument isn't really relevant anymore.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

No brexit at all it is

Woop woop

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Nothing disgusting about it, it's cold arithmetics

London's Evening Standard have done some research and according to them first time ref vote splits 3-1 for remain. Considering the over 60s were overwhelmingly for Brexit it's fair to say that the likelihood is that with every first time vote and every funeral the scales are tipping in favour of remain.

Of course in London the favour will be for Remain though won't it, you can pluck any figure out of the air and it isn't going to prove anything unless we actually have another referendum.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Of course in London the favour will be for Remain though won't it, you can pluck any figure out of the air and it isn't going to prove anything unless we actually have another referendum.

It wasn't London only study, it was countrywide.
They forcast the 2nd ref result 60-40 for remain if it was rerun with two options leave/remain.

There's also more good news, there's a crowd-funding campaign to raise half a million for legal costs and take Boris to court for lies he told in the ref campaign.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It wasn't London only study, it was countrywide.
They forcast the 2nd ref result 60-40 for remain if it was rerun with two options leave/remain.

There's also more good news, there's a crowd-funding campaign to raise half a million for legal costs and take Boris to court for lies he told in the ref campaign.

Weren't the polls saying 60-40 in favour of remain last time? When will people stop listening to these things.

[Tom4784]

Gotta love the irony of Brexiters ****ing up their own brexit by voting against their only real option.

No Deal is going to get blown up in the vote, most politcians on both sides aren't interested in it, if people want a brexit, the only way you'll ever get it is with a deal in place.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Gotta love the irony of Brexiters ****ing up their own brexit by voting against their only real option.

No Deal is going to get blown up in the vote, most politcians on both sides aren't interested in it, if people want a brexit, the only way you'll ever get it is with a deal in place.

Makes you wonder doesn't it, I don't think many want out

[bots]

The fact that the ERG voted against a deal knowing no deal was going to get blasted away today, and the fact that Jeremy says its time to implement Labours deal, even though its already been rejected in parliament and the EU have said they will not be opening the negotiated deal again, confirms to me that these people are not interested in the good of the country, they are still playing politics.

People can moan and groan about May's deal, but she has at least tried to implement the will of the British people, no one else has

[Elliot]

Just throw brexit in the bin

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Gotta love the irony of Brexiters ****ing up their own brexit by voting against their only real option.

No Deal is going to get blown up in the vote, most politcians on both sides aren't interested in it, if people want a brexit, the only way you'll ever get it is with a deal in place.

and the deal that Brexiters want is just impossible, the EU aren't going to bend over backwards to give us a good deal, with all the little caveats, and why should they?

[Northern Monkey]

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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

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[bots]

i've been doing more investigation into this no deal off the table vote. One thing is that it is only valid until the 29th unless there is an amendment approved which is unlikely. Also, the vote is not legally binding. So, if an extension is approved tomorrow, it becomes meaningless, and if the no deal is kept on the table today, there wont be any extension. That's why the ERG weren't bothered about voting no yesterday.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Dia.

and the deal that Brexiters want is just impossible, the EU aren't going to bend over backwards to give us a good deal, with all the little caveats, and why should they?

It's arrogance and self entitlement basically.