[user104658]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

Eating their mother?

Well I mean... She thinks of herself as their mother; in theory, they see her more as a pack alpha and that's why they obey and protect her. If they recognise Jon as the true heir (and therefore the true alpha dragon) they'd turn on her in a second

[user104658]

Some potential foreshadowing to Dany snacks:

Sansa: "What do dragons eat?"

Dany: "Anything they want "

[bots]

nobody has yet voiced the possibility that given Jon's news, Danny may decide to retire to Yara's isle of peace and tranquility .... the GoT, lesbian equivalent to a convent.

[Smithy]

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they accept Jon?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they except Jon?

that's a very good point

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they except Jon?

If they don't want a Targaryen what options do they have? The Lannisters aren't too popular either and the Baratheons have no legitimate heir.

Will a new House take over?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they accept Jon?

The South would probably accept a Targaryen fine, they'd certainly consider her more legitimate than a Lannister, just that the Lannisters (well... Just Cersei now rly) wouldn't give up the throne without a fight. The people just go with the flow.

The North has never really accepted any of them but "sort of" accepted Baratheon rule due to the close alliance with the Starks.

Jon is legitimately still half Stark on his mother's side so... Stands the best chance of being accepted by both North and South. "Ice and Fire", Stark and Targaryen innit.

[DouglasS]

Gender should be king! The only Baratheon heir left (potentially even a child of Cersei and Robert)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Gender should be king! The only Baratheon heir left (potentially even a child of Cersei and Robert)

He'd only be considered a legitimate heir if he is Cersei's... Bastards don't get a strong claim on the throne even if they're a direct descendant. That's why the information Sam found about the Targaryen-Stark "secret wedding" was so important, because it makes him a noble not a Targeryan bastard.

[Smithy]

How is Gendry a child of Cersei’s when they barely had sex and he said his mum was some Tavern wench

If they were going to deliver that as a twist there would have been hints to it beforehand

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Smithy

How is Gendry a child of Cersei’s when they barely had sex and he said his mum was some Tavern wench

If they were going to deliver that as a twist there would have been hints to it beforehand

People have theorised it based on Cersei saying she had one dark haired child with Robert Baratheon who died at birth... The theory being that she just said it did and gave it away.

But yeah I think it's a bit too random to suddenly be thrown in at the last moment.

Baratheon claim is weaker than Targeryan anyway, the only reason they were on the throne was that all the Targs were dead or exiled. Hence Sam pointing out that Ned had to pretend to be Jon's father or else Robert would probably have had him killed due to his claim on the throne.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The South would probably accept a Targaryen fine, they'd certainly consider her more legitimate than a Lannister, just that the Lannisters (well... Just Cersei now rly) wouldn't give up the throne without a fight. The people just go with the flow.

The North has never really accepted any of them but "sort of" accepted Baratheon rule due to the close alliance with the Starks.

Jon is legitimately still half Stark on his mother's side so... Stands the best chance of being accepted by both North and South. "Ice and Fire", Stark and Targaryen innit.

If the south would accept a Targaryen then they’d no doubt accept Daenerys and Jon would be her Warden of the North to please the northerns in a similar fashion.

Not that any of it matters seeing as they’ll both die but anyway

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

People have theorised it based on Cersei saying she had one dark haired child with Robert Baratheon who died at birth... The theory being that she just said it did and gave it away.

But yeah I think it's a bit too random to suddenly be thrown in at the last moment.

Baratheon claim is weaker than Targeryan anyway, the only reason they were on the throne was that all the Targs were dead or exiled. Hence Sam pointing out that Ned had to pretend to be Jon's father or else Robert would probably have had him killed due to his claim on the throne.

Nnnnn died? More like she killed it!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Nnnnn died? More like she killed it!

Well yeah I think the theory is that she asked someone to kill it and say it was stillborn but whoever she entrusted the deed to couldn't go through with it and secretly gave him to a random woman in King's Landing instead, and just told Cersei it was taken care of.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

People have theorised it based on Cersei saying she had one dark haired child with Robert Baratheon who died at birth... The theory being that she just said it did and gave it away.

But yeah I think it's a bit too random to suddenly be thrown in at the last moment.

Baratheon claim is weaker than Targeryan anyway, the only reason they were on the throne was that all the Targs were dead or exiled. Hence Sam pointing out that Ned had to pretend to be Jon's father or else Robert would probably have had him killed due to his claim on the throne.

the baratheons have no claim on the throne given that Robert's entire reason for taking the throne was a lie

[Daniel.]

I thought it was cute, but I was expecting more shocks from what I read. I mean where was the dark violemce? The child?

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

If the south would accept a Targaryen then they’d no doubt accept Daenerys and Jon would be her Warden of the North to please the northerns in a similar fashion.

Not that any of it matters seeing as they’ll both die but anyway

There’s no way both Daenaerys and Jon die

[arista]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

I thought it was cute, but I was expecting more shocks from what I read. I mean where was the dark violemce? The child?

Yes clever ending,



Nice Big Cross Bow
a Hired Hit Man.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the baratheons have no claim on the throne given that Robert's entire reason for taking the throne was a lie

And they are now an extinct house. Only bastards.

Other extinct houses: Tyrell, Martell

Legitimate heads of remaining major houses:

Targaryen: now Aegon/Jon
Lannister: should be Jamie but big sis took the Crown
Stark: Bran (declined); Sansa
Tully: Edmure (still a prisoner?)
Arryn: Robert (a sickly child)
Greyjoy: Euron (likely to be deposed very soon)

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

There’s no way both Daenaerys and Jon die

Girl there’s a huge chance it’ll happen

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

And they are now an extinct house. Only bastards.

Other extinct houses: Tyrell, Martell

Legitimate heads of remaining major houses:

Targaryen: now Aegon/Jon
Lannister: should be Jamie but big sis took the Crown
Stark: Bran (declined); Sansa
Tully: Edmure (still a prisoner?)
Arryn: Robert (a sickly child)
Greyjoy: Euron (likely to be deposed very soon)

You can probably add House Umber to extinct houses too

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dia.

You can probably add House Umber to extinct houses too

Pretty sure Umber was a smaller / vassal house to House Stark anyway; there are a few of those to the larger houses like Mormont, Tarly, Karstarks, Clegane, Reed etc.

Houses like Tyrell, Tully, Martel, Baratheon and Frey were all major houses at the outset of season 1 that are now extinct.

Really the only major houses still in play are Stark, Lannister and Targaryen. Arryn and Greyjoy still exist but are effectively only tertiary players at this point.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Pretty sure Umber was a smaller / vassal house to House Stark anyway; there are a few of those to the larger houses like Mormont, Tarly, Karstarks, Clegane, Reed etc.

Houses like Tyrell, Tully, Martel, Baratheon and Frey were all major houses at the outset of season 1 that are now extinct.

Really the only major houses still in play are Stark, Lannister and Targaryen. Arryn and Greyjoy still exist but are effectively only tertiary players at this point.

Which leaves the claimants as:

Aegon/Jon
Dany (only if Jon dies again)
Bran (if he gives up that Three-Eyed Raven malarkey), otherwise
Sansa
Arya (if Sansa dies)
Cersei (clinging to power against the odds)
Jamie
Tyrion
outside bet: the Night King

No-one else seems to have any claim.

[user104658]

Bran, Sansa and Arya don't really have a claim as the Starks have never had a claim to the 7 kingdoms, only the North Indy "King / Queen in the North" title.

Tbh I can see it going that way with the North becoming independent, with Sansa declaring herself Queen in the North.

[Shaun]

I have decided Beric is in my top 5 current characters just because an eyepatch and a flaming sword are always cool (and also I liked Fortitude)