[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what is that random and totally biased staccato timeline meant to do?

Biased? Please elaborate?

It was to show that there has always been tension toward immigrants.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes

its like Rotherham never happened and that was because of a fear of being branded a racist by people who throw out "racist" like confetti and lo and behold what do we find peppering this thread...

Not sure what point you're trying to make?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

watched the whole thing now, it was very thought provoking, Eileen had lovely neighbours and didn't want to move but had no choice because her children had already moved and she was moving to be near them so in effect someone who was forced to move rather than really wanting to move. The balance of the area has shifted, just 3 white British children per class of 30, 146 different languages and a new child coming once a week with no English (though I find the once a week thing a bit hard to believe given classes are full and they would have to wait for a place?) I agreed with the Head teacher that children don't see religion or colour, however its in the broad scheme of things that there are issues as the cultures do not mix socially very much, I have had experience of this myself with my kids who went to a predominantly Asian school, the Asian kids are being tutored or at mosque or the families don't want them mixing with white/black families as they don't want any issues withboyfriends/girlfriends from different backgrounds and pre marriage pregnancies are very much frowned upon so they keep a tight rein on who their children mix with, the same goes for different religions the Sikhs want to keep to themselves as well and don't want to mix with the muslims etc, what Osman said was true enough he was picked on as a kid for being different but was then accepted as his friends got to know him and realised he liked the same things, but there were pressures on him as he said himself he had to live a dual life, being one thing at home and another with his friends, the British born people in Newham lost their places to socialise and mix as a community as the area changed and pubs closed, and its a pressure thing as well, like the Mother in the clip said ...people asking...you don't still live around here do you? although I did have to laugh as the daughter is moving to Raleigh so its hard the end of the world for them I think Newham is a prime example of an area where the balance has shifted too much, multi culture should mean just that, multi....however humans will generally try to stick to what they know, when the Irish came in the 50s and 60s there were Irish areas and Irish clubs etc, I suppose the difference was the Irish did cross marry but that is not happening in these new communities...a good watch thank you Livia and Oliver for finding it.

Its a bit of a stretch to say she was forced to move.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its a bit of a stretch to say she was forced to move.

They were forced to move by their deep discomfort around people that aren’t white, the poor souls

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They were forced to move by their deep discomfort around people that aren’t white, the poor souls

Have to agree. The lady said so in the programme when she said they werent 'allowed' to mix with other cultures.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its a bit of a stretch to say she was forced to move.

Not it isn't she need as she said herself 'someone to keep an eye on her' and her family had moved from the area, so how is it a stretch, if her family had stayed put so would she

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not it isn't she need as she said herself 'someone to keep an eye on her' and her family had moved from the area, so how is it a stretch, if her family had stayed put so would she

Were her family forced out? It didnt say so, bit of a stretch to say she was forced.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not it isn't she need as she said herself 'someone to keep an eye on her' and her family had moved from the area, so how is it a stretch, if her family had stayed put so would she

So she moved because her family did?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So she moved because her family did?

And, if immigrants had not moved into the area she'd have probably still moved to be with her daughter..

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Try coming up with a less **** hypothetical then.

But I'll bite, Japan has two sides to it's society, one that enjoys the growth and sharing of culture and an older side to it that's often racist and dismissive of other cultures. If I went to Tokyo and saw more a diverse and accepting culture taking root then that's only a sign that the old ways are dying out and that's a good thing. It's not like the temples and history will be torn down and ripped aside, it's not like the national identity is disappearing, it would simply be growing.

It's typically only racists that take issue with diversity.

It's got nothing to do with race, English people come in all races. How many Londoners describe themselves as English is the point I think Cleese is trying to make.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So she moved because her family did?

Have you watched the programme?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

And, if immigrants had not moved into the area she'd have probably still moved to be with her daughter..

Her daughter might have stayed put if Newham stayed multicultural

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have you watched the programme?

No. Which is why I phrased it as a question.

Moving to follow her family as she needed help isn't being forced anywhere. She was forced in the sense that she had to go wherever they went.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. Which is why I phrased it as a question.

Moving to follow her family as she needed help isn't being forced anywhere. She was forced in the sense that she had to go wherever they went.

Come back to me and we will discuss it when you have watched it

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Her daughter might have stayed put if Newham stayed multicultural

Possibly, possibly not?

I just didnt get the impression Eileen was moving due to the immigrants.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Possibly, possibly not?

I just didnt get the impression Eileen was moving due to the immigrants.

I never said she did, but her family moved from the area, no reason was given for that, so both you and I are surmising as to why that happened.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's got nothing to do with race, English people come in all races. How many Londoners describe themselves as English is the point I think Cleese is trying to make.

This was your poorly thought out hypothetical.

Originally Posted by Alf

Who thinks it's a good thing if you go to Tokyo and it's majority White people speaking English? Does it make the Japanese racist that it's not?

You were the one that specified race. Do try keep track of what you are saying, Alf.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I never said she did, but her family moved from the area, no reason was given for that, so both you and I are surmising as to why that happened.

I know you didnt but that, for me, was the premise of the show and I didnt get that from any of the cases.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This was your poorly thought out hypothetical.



You were the one that specified race. Do try keep track of what you are saying, Alf.

I was asking a question based on your ideology.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

I was asking a question based on your ideology.

Yes and then you tried to make out after I answered that it wasn't about race when YOU brought up a hypothetical based on race, do you understand? Need me to explain it again?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Come back to me and we will discuss it when you have watched it

I don't need to. The thread isn't based on it.

I simply asked you a question as you went from saying this lady was forced out of her home, to saying this lady followed her daughter who moved away and her daughter looks out for her.

Come back when you've decided which it is.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes and then you tried to make out after I answered that it wasn't about race when YOU brought up a hypothetical based on race, do you understand? Need me to explain it again?

Yes, because you have based it on race throughout this thread, so I asked a question based on your thinking. Then I told you my thinking, that it's not based on race.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Yes, because you have based it on race throughout this thread, so I asked a question based on your thinking. Then I told you my thinking, that it's not based on race.

You literally asked me a question based around race and then tried to make out that it wasn't about race when I answered. I cannot explain it in more simple terms than that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You literally asked me a question based around race and then tried to make out that it wasn't about race when I answered. I cannot explain it in more simple terms than that.

And I can't explain it in more simple terms, so I guess it's a stalemate.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

And I can't explain it in more simple terms, so I guess it's a stalemate.

Except it's not because you are simply trying to move the goalposts because you didn't expect anyone to have an answer for your hypothetical and now you are desperately backtracking.