[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s weird and gets more weird...it states there is a ban on making public anything from the tribunal proceedings...but there’s more or less the full transcript online plus a video recording...I mean how was it not noticed that someone was taking a video recording throughout something like that...?...all odd...

The actual recording was only after the reporting ban was lifted.

Otherwise, it seems the case could be spoke about, but not using Yanivs actual name. or something.

all very odd, regardless

[Vicky.]

https://mobile.twitter.com/goinglike...03630974046208
https://mobile.twitter.com/goinglike...70487347400704
Some more too. First few days of the tribunal, only one person was in the gallery apparently, seems more are getting interested..journalist types have been showing up recently too.

[Ammi]

...I guess a lot has to do with whether it’s believed Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv is a transgender in the first instance...I just don’t believe it atm, which is why I’m not comfortable with ‘she’...I think it’s an opportunist who may also be a predator...but I’m not even entirely convinced of that...and if this is an opportunist...?...then obviously the worries are surfacing about self ID and opportunism and abuse of...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I didn't... I only referred to your post as it related to legal issues... which I thought I made clear by separating my comment on it from my other references.

Well I'll try again with this seeing as my comment has gone...
The legal issues ARE the issue. In relation to human rights, it is only this that has been allegedly violated.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I haven't sympathised with them once and have repeatedly referred to them as a dangerous, predatory paedophile. Honestly if you look into it - as awful as the effect on the beautician's livelihoods has been - this is the LEAST of what this person is out there doing and I think there is probably a very real risk posed.

I've also said multiple times that the legal loopholes that are being used to exploit people and destroy their businesses need to be addressed and, in fact, I'm sure I said (or at least I have when discussing this elsewhere) that I think it's ridiculous that a business that involves getting up close and personal with people's genitals doesn't have the right to refuse service without question.

None of this has anything to do with whether or not gender pronouns should be respected? Like I said, an M2F serial killer should still be "she". It doesn't mean I sympathise with their crimes?

Yes you did.... you made excuses that the mishandling of their transition could've led to the manifestation of predatory behaviour!
In this case both sets are applicable as both are used.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes you did.... you made excuses that the mishandling of their transition could've led to the manifestation of predatory behaviour!
In this case both sets are applicable as both are used.

Reasons and explanations for abnormal psychology always exist, are usually fascinating and interesting to understand, and are not by any means excuses, or expressions of sympathy. Unless you believe that the entire academic discipline of criminal psychology boils down to "excuse making".

This is a discussion that's been done to death on this forum across a myriad of discussions. It's not worth ploughing through again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Reasons and explanations for abnormal psychology always exist, are usually fascinating and interesting to understand, and are not by any means excuses, or expressions of sympathy. Unless you believe that the entire academic discipline of criminal psychology boils down to "excuse making".

This is a discussion that's been done to death on this forum across a myriad of discussions. It's not worth ploughing through again.

Ah right do now youve had my comments counter to yours removed youve had enough? Youre not a psychologist ts.

But lets pretend, should I be one personally I'd say your focus on the preditor than the women preyed on in this scenario speaks volumes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah right do now youve had my comments counter to yours removed youve had enough? Youre not a psychologist ts.

But lets pretend, should I be one personally I'd say your focus on the preditor than the women preyed on in this scenario speaks volumes.

The fact that you think you have to "be a psychologist" to be interested in psychology is a bit bizarre Kizzy. You're not a politician, why are you always on here talking about politics? No one on that thread about seagulls eating a puppy is an ornithologist, so what are those dummies talking about seagulls for? LT isn't a meteorologist so his weather thread? TRASH. It's just such a massive reach that I'm worried you'll give yourself some sort of virtual hernia .

There's nothing abnormal or interesting about the psychology of the people affected by this individual's actions so obviously the predator is more interesting than the victims. I feel awful for them, they have been badly let down, but the whole point is that they're just normal people caught up in something bizarre?

That's why there are movies about John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy not their victims. That's why there are literally innumerable documentaries about prolific criminals that focus on the perpetrator more than the victims. I suppose all of those "speak volumes" as well?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The fact that you think you have to "be a psychologist" to be interested in psychology is a bit bizarre Kizzy. You're not a politician, why are you always on here talking about politics? No one on that thread about seagulls eating a puppy is an ornithologist, so what are those dummies talking about seagulls for? LT isn't a meteorologist so his weather thread? TRASH. It's just such a massive reach that I'm worried you'll give yourself some sort of virtual hernia .

There's nothing abnormal or interesting about the psychology of the people affected by this individual's actions so obviously the predator is more interesting than the victims. I feel awful for them, they have been badly let down, but the whole point is that they're just normal people caught up in something bizarre?

That's why there are movies about John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy not their victims. That's why there are literally innumerable documentaries about prolific criminals that focus on the perpetrator more than the victims. I suppose all of those "speak volumes" as well?

Now who's gaslighting?
Reasons and explanations indeed, you know nothing ts, you might have an interest but it doesn't mean you know anything :/
All you have is as much as myself or anyone else in this thread an opinion.
I don't find exploitative people interesting, it's just a con artist trying to pull a fast one, so forgive me if I don't share your hero worship of this person.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Now who's gaslighting?
Reasons and explanations indeed, you know nothing ts, you might have an interest but it doesn't mean you know anything :/
All you have is as much as myself or anyone else in this thread an opinion.
I don't find exploitative people interesting, it's just a con artist trying to pull a fast one, so forgive me if I don't share your hero worship of this person.

I haven't suggested that I know the reasons? I've just said that they must exist and mused about what they might be. Where did I even vaguely suggest it's anything more than an opinion? As for the suggestion that I'm "hero worshipping", you're just flat out trolling at that point Kizzy. If you think suggesting that someone is hero worshipping a paedophile is taking the moral high ground in any way, or a suitable "snap back" for... well, pretty much anything, then I'd suggest taking a breath. Honestly.

[Kizzy]

You've suggested you know the reason why some members of the forum engage in these debates, our involvement has been analysed to the nth degree... why wouldn't I think you haven't applied the same energy to the subject here? Now you say your opinion is simply musings?...
The morbid curiosity that surrounds serial killers is not relevant here surely?... This is just, lets face it a chancer that you have chosen to elevate in an attempt to evaluate his actions as someone more complex in order to explain away his criminality.

[Oliver_W]

Youtube video

Yaniv is debating trans youtuber Blaire White this evening!

[Kizzy]

Interesting, I agreed with her take on the whole issue when I watched that.

[Ammi]

...what did you watch, Kizzy...I can’t get anything to play..?..

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...what did you watch, Kizzy...I can’t get anything to play..?..

Blaire had previously made a video about Yaniv

Youtube video

[Ammi]

....ahhh thank you so much.....I’ll give it a watch in a bit...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....ahhh thank you so much.....I’ll give it a watch in a bit...

The one you couldn't get to play will be a live broadcast tonight

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The one you couldn't get to play will be a live broadcast tonight

..yeah that’s why I was a bit confused when Kizzy said she had watched it.....but I see what was meant, I’m a bit slow....it was an interesting watch...I guess a lot of what she says fits with my reluctance in referring to Yaniv in a gender term...because I’m just not entirely convinced that this person is nothing but a very disturbing sexual predator who is also ‘working a lawsuit system’....

[Vicky.]

Ah I do have a soft spot for Blaire. Even though shes a republican

[Vicky.]

My prediction is Yaniv will cry and leave after a few mins.

[Oliver_W]

I just hope she's careful, he's pretty litigious ...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah that’s why I was a bit confused when Kizzy said she had watched it.....but I see what was meant, I’m a bit slow....it was an interesting watch...I guess a lot of what she says fits with my reluctance in referring to Yaniv in a gender term...because I’m just not entirely convinced that this person is nothing but a very disturbing sexual predator who is also ‘working a lawsuit system’....

Sorry it did read like I'd watched the live stream :/ I meant the other one .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I just hope she's careful, he's pretty litigious ...

Ahaha, conntender for understatement of the century tbh

Thats possibly his plan to be quite honest. Try to sue her as I am sure shes pretty well off from what I have seen of her. Hopefully the courts tell him to piss off soon, its clear has just taking advantage of silly laws and such.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sorry it did read like I'd watched the live stream :/ I meant the other one .

...I’m not the quickest morning person......I kept trying to watch an empty vid and wondered what magic you held .....

[Kizzy]

I don't think yaniv has sued an individual has he, I thought he just sued the businesses on human rights grounds for refusal of service?