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lime · 14-09-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

No the PM is Busy
getting the UK out of the EU

Monday he meets Junker
in Luxembourg

Oh please...he is not busy getting the UK out of the EU...truth be told the UK can leave without a deal right now....but choose not to

Parmy · 14-09-2019, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Who Mrs May.

I still cannot stand the woman.

For me we now have the worst Male PM likely ever.
However she is the worst Female one.

Both, 2 of the last candidates who should have ever held the post of PM of the UK.

I cannot bear either.

Who are the best male and female pms in your head...and why?....if you want to answer that is.

Twosugars · 14-09-2019, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

Why is it that British folk like lies?strange.....

The moment a politician lies to me He/She is not geting my vote

Not all, only half

Bc it agrees with their own biases

arista · 14-09-2019, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

Oh please...he is not busy getting the UK out of the EU...truth be told the UK can leave without a deal right now....but choose not to

Too many blockages

arista · 14-09-2019, 05:17 PM

joeysteele · 14-09-2019, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Who are the best male and female pms in your head...and why?....if you want to answer that is.

Obviously Margaret Thatcher since we've only had 2 Female.

Male, I think most have done reasonably well and tried to.
Despite sometimes making one or 2 really bad decisions.

Overall I'd go for Harold McMillan. I think the end of the 50s into the 60s was s good, strong time.

Although I'd commend another Harold, re Wilson.
For not allowing us to getting our troops involved in the Vietman conflict.

user104658 · 14-09-2019, 06:11 PM

Honestly, Thatcher was a horrendous Tory, so many heartless actions BUT she would never have created the absolute shambles we've had in Cameron-May-Johnson and Brexit.

Though I do think we're all forgetting a bit too soon that at the end of the day, this is Cameron's mess. This was his almighty **** up. No matter what happens.

arista · 14-09-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly, Thatcher was a horrendous Tory, so many heartless actions BUT she would never have created the absolute shambles we've had in Cameron-May-Johnson and Brexit.

Though I do think we're all forgetting a bit too soon that at the end of the day, this is Cameron's mess. This was his almighty **** up. No matter what happens.

Sure more For the Scottish
but look at Labour leaders back then
no chance of winning

joeysteele · 14-09-2019, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly, Thatcher was a horrendous Tory, so many heartless actions BUT she would never have created the absolute shambles we've had in Cameron-May-Johnson and Brexit.

Though I do think we're all forgetting a bit too soon that at the end of the day, this is Cameron's mess. This was his almighty **** up. No matter what happens.

She'd have never held the referendum TS.
Neither would she have acted on a 3.8% majority.

She threw the narrow vote for devolution in Scotland out in late 70s.

user104658 · 14-09-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

She'd have never held the referendum TS.
Neither would she have acted on a 3.8% majority.

She threw the narrow vote for devolution in Scotland out in late 70s.

No PM would have held it if they thought it had a chance of passing... Cameron did it because he was over-confident about the outcome. He thought remain would win by a large margin. Everyone who allowed it to happen, believed it wouldn't happen. Just sheer arrogance. Which is why his stomach fell out of his arsehole when "Leave" won, and he resigned immediately.

joeysteele · 14-09-2019, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No PM would have held it if they thought it had a chance of passing... Cameron did it because he was over-confident about the outcome. He thought remain would win by a large margin. Everyone who allowed it to happen, believed it wouldn't happen. Just sheer arrogance. Which is why his stomach fell out of his arsehole when "Leave" won, and he resigned immediately.

Lovely description at the end there TS

You are totally right in all you say though.

Twosugars · 14-09-2019, 08:37 PM

Let's not forget why Cameron did it. He was under pressure from ukip and hardliners in his party.
As then was May and as is now Johnson. Brexit party is ukip2.
Some political forces have never been happy with the eu membership, especially since it started to involve more than the economy.
Dont think Cameron could have resisted forever. Though its campaign and rules were done wrong.

My point is that this issue has been poisoning the debate at least since the Major government.

UK has never been a fully committed eu member.

arista · 14-09-2019, 10:46 PM

UserSince2005 · 14-09-2019, 10:48 PM

im ready to hulkify

Twosugars · 14-09-2019, 11:14 PM

Is he a ****ing child?

James · 14-09-2019, 11:15 PM

We all know that arista is The Hulk, not Boris.

arista · 14-09-2019, 11:26 PM

Tom4784 · 15-09-2019, 12:37 AM

There should be a ****ing riot if he tries that **** again. No Confidence vote the ****er so hard he'll try to crawl back into his mother.

arista · 15-09-2019, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

There should be a ****ing riot if he tries that **** again. No Confidence vote the ****er so hard he'll try to crawl back into his mother.

Yes Dezzy
that's up to the Touchy Labour Leader Corbyn.

jet · 15-09-2019, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Only because everything he has tried to do has been blocked by the same ministers that voted for him to be PM,so he has had to take drastic measures, which Teresa May would not do, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind,imo.

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?)

and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH?

Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...

jet · 15-09-2019, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Who Mrs May.

I still cannot stand the woman.

For me we now have the worst Male PM likely ever.
However she is the worst Female one.

Both, 2 of the last candidates who should have ever held the post of PM of the UK.

I cannot bear either.

Just wondering if Corbyn, the friend of the IRA and other terrorist groups and who has a high tolerance level for anti semitism would be worse than May was or Johnson is? I haven't seen much of you being fearful of Corbyn becoming PM.

Vanessa · 15-09-2019, 03:34 AM

I don't like Boris Johnson at all. But getting a deal is in the interest of everyone. So I hope he can get one.

Kazanne · 15-09-2019, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?)

and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH?

Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...

Aw Jet,Lovely to see you post,it's a shame so many decent posters are no longer here,and as much as I am open to be educated,I have yet to see anything that has changed my mind so far, I am mainly alone but prefer it that way as I know then that I am my own person and not out to please anyone, I don't mind debating with those who don't try to patronise me for my opinion or just name call,but it's sometimes just not worth posting , but it would be lovely to see some more like you back, loved it back in the day when even you and I disagreed but were adult enough not to fall out over anything.

Kazanne · 15-09-2019, 06:46 AM

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

joeysteele · 15-09-2019, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

Just wondering if Corbyn, the friend of the IRA and other terrorist groups and who has a high tolerance level for anti semitism would be worse than May was or Johnson is? I haven't seen much of you being fearful of Corbyn becoming PM.

I long ago decided not to engage with you and your always confrontational attitude.

This thread isn't about Corbyn.

You're just one of those who have to bring him up and other issues any thread you go on.
So you can quote me all you like, that's your privilege as a member just never in future expect a reply.

For the record however I don't think there's a leader in UK politics at present who is of PM material in any shape or form.
However the last 2 are, yes, the bottom of the pile for me.
Only choosing to fuel divisiveness and bitterness rather than unifying and compromise.

So waste your time quoting me all you wish now in future, however I've given up on here trying to reason with the unreasonable.

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