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lime · 22-09-2019, 04:25 PM

Out of interest where are you based?I always thought you where British but now i see your use of language " drain the swamp".

Are you American?

arista · 22-09-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

tragic that they push us under the bus so that they will hold their Conservative seats

Yes it is Tragic.

Like when Chamberlain (1939)
got a Plane for the first time
met Hitler , got him to sign his treaty
then came home - happy.

Sure Nev I will Sign your Treaty in FULL.

Alf · 22-09-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

Out of interest where are you based?I always thought you where British but now i see your use of language " drain the swamp".

Are you American?

The American language is English. "Drain the swamp" is spoken in English, not American.

Twosugars · 22-09-2019, 05:18 PM

Supreme court poised to rule against Boris Johnson, say legal experts

According to the Guardian

arista · 22-09-2019, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Supreme court poised to rule against Boris Johnson, say legal experts

According to the Guardian

Sure
then what?

joeysteele · 22-09-2019, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Supreme court poised to rule against Boris Johnson, say legal experts

According to the Guardian

I think it's possible but no way could the Guardian have any inkling.

Judges are always hard to fathom as to where they may go on judgements and even sentencing.

If they were to in any way to reach conclusions that Johnson has even slightly been deceitful.
For any other PM, in any credible government, they'd either morally resign or their Party force them out.

This PM however seems to think he is above any laws and even democracy.
The worst thing is, anyone admiring him and supporting him.
Making his delusion worse.

Twosugars · 22-09-2019, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think it's possible but no way could the Guardian have any inkling.

Judges are always hard to fathom as to where they may go on judgements and even sentencing.

If they were to in any way to reach conclusions that Johnson has even slightly been deceitful.
For any other PM, in any credible government, they'd either morally resign or their Party force them out.

This PM however seems to think he is above any laws and even democracy.
The worst thing is, anyone admiring him and supporting him.
Making his delusion worse.

The paper talked to some lawyers and observers so it is just a hunch but I hope it's right

bots · 22-09-2019, 07:02 PM

the only reason the judgement was delayed until next week was because the judges were split, so all we know is that they have differing views at the moment. How that changes over the next couple of days is anyones guess. All the judges in Scotland were unanimous in it being illegal so if they go against that majority it will be a significant ruling, that won't play out well in Scotland

joeysteele · 22-09-2019, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

The paper talked to some lawyers and observers so it is just a hunch but I hope it's right

Myself too, hoping it's right Twosugars.

Twosugars · 22-09-2019, 11:00 PM

The question of why Wales voted to leave the EU can in large part be answered by the number of English retired people who have moved across the border, research has found.

Despite being one of the biggest beneficiaries of EU funding, Wales voted leave by a majority of 52% to 48% in the 2016 referendum – a result that took some analysts by surprise. However, work by Danny Dorling, a professor of geography at Oxford, found that the result could in part be attributed to the influence of English voters.

“If you look at the more genuinely Welsh areas, especially the Welsh-speaking ones, they did not want to leave the EU,” Dorling told the Sunday Times. “Wales was made to look like a Brexit-supporting nation by its English settlers.”

About 21% (650,000) of people living in Wales were born in England, with nearly a quarter aged over 65. The country voted for Brexit by a majority of just 82,000.

Border towns and areas of central Wales with large English communities, such as Wrexham and Powys, recorded a higher proportion of leave votes, whereas Welsh-speaking areas such as Gwynedd and Ceredigion had high remain votes.
More here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rexit-research

Brexit a result of english nationalism ?

Alf · 23-09-2019, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

The question of why Wales voted to leave the EU can in large part be answered by the number of English retired people who have moved across the border, research has found.

Despite being one of the biggest beneficiaries of EU funding, Wales voted leave by a majority of 52% to 48% in the 2016 referendum – a result that took some analysts by surprise. However, work by Danny Dorling, a professor of geography at Oxford, found that the result could in part be attributed to the influence of English voters.

“If you look at the more genuinely Welsh areas, especially the Welsh-speaking ones, they did not want to leave the EU,” Dorling told the Sunday Times. “Wales was made to look like a Brexit-supporting nation by its English settlers.”

About 21% (650,000) of people living in Wales were born in England, with nearly a quarter aged over 65. The country voted for Brexit by a majority of just 82,000.

Border towns and areas of central Wales with large English communities, such as Wrexham and Powys, recorded a higher proportion of leave votes, whereas Welsh-speaking areas such as Gwynedd and Ceredigion had high remain votes.
More here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rexit-research

Brexit a result of english nationalism ?

You say English nationalism as though it's a bad thing. What is it you have against the English. Is it jealousy because we're so great?

Twosugars · 23-09-2019, 11:34 AM

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You say English nationalism as though it's a bad thing. What is it you have against the English. Is it jealousy because we're so great?

Not caring about all parts of the country, that's what I have against SOME English

Alf · 23-09-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Not caring about all parts of the country, that's what I have against SOME English

I have nothing against Polish people.I certainly wouldn't go live in Poland and then call fook out the people of Poland.

Twosugars · 23-09-2019, 11:44 AM

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I have nothing against Polish people.I certainly wouldn't go live in Poland and then call fook out the people of Poland.

I'm half English btw.
And even more critical of the Polish

but dont get to air that here often as theres not much interest in that on a British forum.

Nice try to get me to shut up, attacking my nationality. Very freedom of speech of you

Alf · 23-09-2019, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'm half English btw.
And even more critical of the Polish

but dont get to air that here often as theres not much interest in that on a British forum.

Nice try to get me to shut up, attacking my nationality. Very freedom of speech of you

Did you start this conversation by attacking English people, and ended it by making yourself the victim?

Kizzy · 23-09-2019, 11:59 AM

If we truly are democratic and the kingdoms of the UK divolved then why wasn't the referendum done by country? That way there would be no taking another country out against its will. The votes could have been stratified by population?

Twosugars · 23-09-2019, 12:06 PM

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Did you start this conversation by attacking English people, and ended it by making yourself the victim?

I attacked english nationalism. You seem to confuse it for english patriotism or english nationality. I suggest you look up the terms.
A victim? yes a victim of your attempt to shut me down based on my dual nationality.
A nasty trick to play, especially if you claim to love freedom of speech.
Can you not handle an opposing opinion and debate it on topic? Why you have to attack the person not the opinion? Out of arguments I guess

Kizzy · 23-09-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

Out of interest where are you based?I always thought you where British but now i see your use of language " drain the swamp".

Are you American?

Sounds like a political analogy to me. If somewhere is a no go cesspool of undesirables then get rid of them by any means.

Kizzy · 23-09-2019, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

You say English nationalism as though it's a bad thing. What is it you have against the English. Is it jealousy because we're so great?

FYI. . We're not that great, I assume as an English person I'm allowed to say that? Most of what we had when we had stuff we stole.

Alf · 23-09-2019, 12:45 PM

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FYI. . We're not that great, I assume as an English person I'm allowed to say that? Most of what we had when we had stuff we stole.

What did we steal? And why do we no longer have it, did somebody give our treasure away?

Scarlett. · 23-09-2019, 01:27 PM

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What did we steal? And why do we no longer have it, did somebody give our treasure away?

Have you ever looked into any of the **** the British Empire got up to?

Tom4784 · 23-09-2019, 01:43 PM

This is why patriotism and nationalism is ultimately a bad thing, it blinds people to the truth of things. The British Empire was built upon a foundation of bad deeds and thievery and you can't drown out history with a rousing rendition of 'Rule, Britannia'.

Better to see things how they were and are then to live in delusion about the Empire's impact on the world.

Alf · 23-09-2019, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is why patriotism and nationalism is ultimately a bad thing, it blinds people to the truth of things. The British Empire was built upon a foundation of bad deeds and thievery and you can't drown out history with a rousing rendition of 'Rule, Britannia'.

Better to see things how they were and are then to live in delusion about the Empire's impact on the world.

The EU empire is built on bad deeds and thievery, yet you worship that.