[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I know most people don't like him and it might be controversial but I completely agree with what Piers Morgan wrote yesterday:

After hearing some details about her now,I agree with that article.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

How about she provides proof, instead of crying and telling people how bad they are?

She is pleading with people to listen to scientists. . They have the answers not her, not corporations and not governments.

You say she's 16 not 6... That's true therefore she is, in the eyes if the law 24 months away from being an adult.. would you not expect then someone on the precipice of adulthood to have formulated some idea of what she makes of the world around her?

I know it's unusual for a person her age to not be absorbed by other interests, music, youtube influencers, animals, boys, make up... But everyone is different, her passions lie elsewhere, I don't see her telling anyone how 'bad' they are, all she is doing is raising awareness... how can that be a bad thing?

What she says isn't wrong I find it hard to believe how anyone could disagree with her message as it's very simple, is it some dislike being advised to educate themselves by someone young and female?

I think she's wonderful, I worry for her though as seeing the video of her she does appear to have the weight of the world on her shoulders, and we all need to share the load.

[Amy Jade]

I think it's great somebody so young is taking a stand. At 16 all I cared about was make up.

I think it's pretty horrible to call her parents abusive though, sure they will have had a hand in what she has become but no more than say a farmer wanting their kids to carry on their legacy.

[user104658]

Neither, and a bit of both. Obviously calling her a "saviour" is gross hyperbole and nonsense but I believe she has good intentions. Also, I don't think she "came into being" as something to be used to push an agenda, but she is NOW being used to push an agenda by certain parties who - to be frank - I doubt have much concern for her personal wellbeing, or the effect that being used as a "poster child" will have on her long term.

[Shaun]

Pretty much a great embodiment of exasperated disgust/frustration with the state of the world atm. Power to her.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Pretty much a great embodiment of exasperated disgust/frustration with the state of the world atm. Power to her.

You mean her Backers
she is not alone



Her Backers are BONKERS

[Kizzy]

Piers morgan. .. in his inimitable mocking tone asserts she is correct in everything she says then accuses her of being a drama queen. Him! He has made a living from being a drama queen with his rude obnoxious outbursts on any given topic he annoints himself as oracle of.

He is concerned that other children might worry the planet is under threat?. Good! That's the whole point you right wing windbag!
If children have worries educate them... Dont shoot the messenger, have blinkers done your generation any good piers? No.
The right wing commentators will of course be circling this in order to dilute the strength of feeling as change will result in reduced profits for vested interests . The faux handwringing that he has any interest in her mental health is laughable, it's attitudes like his that promote others to target her with abuse, this 'caring' article? Transparent.

[Twosugars]

She is a sign of things to come. Environment is the next big battleground.
Activism will only get bigger and actions like we witnessed this year more frequent.
Young generations have woken to the fact they will inherit this mess and demand action.
Welcome to the future

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Neither, and a bit of both. Obviously calling her a "saviour" is gross hyperbole and nonsense but I believe she has good intentions. Also, I don't think she "came into being" as something to be used to push an agenda, but she is NOW being used to push an agenda by certain parties who - to be frank - I doubt have much concern for her personal wellbeing, or the effect that being used as a "poster child" will have on her long term.

This really.

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[Alf]

Just look at the video of her speech and ask yourself a question, does that look like a happy 16 year old child? Because to me it doesn't, and none of this what she's being put through is necessary, it doesn't need to happen.

My advice would be stop cheering her on and be a bit more concerned for her well being and why she's being pushed out there by her parents.

But what do I know? I know nothing.

[user104658]

I actually agree with you (somewhat), Alf.

The message she has is important and so is climate change awareness, but the level of attention she's getting at 16 years old from her detractors AND her supporters is not going to be in any way healthy. I'm not sure many people are giving much thought to her personal wellbeing, I don't think it's going to end well for her in terms of her mental health as an adult, and it all leaves me feeling very uneasy.

I also agree that if she was saying these things at 8 years old, it's extremely unlikely (in fact, impossible) that these were her own reasoned thoughts and not parroting of an adult... which is indoctrination... even if everything they were telling her is 100% correct.

So yeah... it's a good cause - but I think she's being used. Maybe unintentionally by those close to her, they were just "sharing their views" and she took to them very strongly, but it's certainly intentional by the various climate change movements using her to draw attention to the cause. It's cynical.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Just look at the video of her speech and ask yourself a question, does that look like a happy 16 year old child? Because to me it doesn't, and none of this what she's being put through is necessary, it doesn't need to happen.

My advice would be stop cheering her on and be a bit more concerned for her well being and why she's being pushed out there by her parents.

But what do I know? I know nothing.

What's there to be happy about? . Even people who know nothing (your words) are against what she stands for simply because she's standing for it, and not doing nothing.

[Beso]

Poor girl would be better at school..

[user104658]

Oh also, for anyone saying she's practically an adult at 16 years old, I *fundamentally* disagree. I know that "in the eyes of the law!" she would be at 18, but even then, there's a huge difference between 16 and 18... and also... I personally am hesitant to describe anyone under the age of 21 as "an adult" in any meaningful way which makes her not even CLOSE to adulthood.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually agree with you (somewhat), Alf.

The message she has is important and so is climate change awareness, but the level of attention she's getting at 16 years old from her detractors AND her supporters is not going to be in any way healthy. I'm not sure many people are giving much thought to her personal wellbeing, I don't think it's going to end well for her in terms of her mental health as an adult, and it all leaves me feeling very uneasy.


I also agree that if she was saying these things at 8 years old, it's extremely unlikely (in fact, impossible) that these were her own reasoned thoughts and not parroting of an adult... which is indoctrination... even if everything they were telling her is 100% correct.

So yeah... it's a good cause - but I think she's being used. Maybe unintentionally by those close to her, they were just "sharing their views" and she took to them very strongly, but it's certainly intentional by the various climate change movements using her to draw attention to the cause. It's cynical.

As a father if a child on the autistic spectrum would you not agree with the parents when they explain that when she is home alone she is miserable and when speaking as an activist motivated?

She is not an average child however this issue has engaged her, and it's a positive one. Yes there is some emotion attached that's to be expected, I'm sure there is plenty of emotional support for Greta.. What's the alternative now, go home and back in her room? This new tactic of 'concern' as a way to promote her silence on this issue I find disturbing.

Not from yourself obviously but as a way to see her as 'less than' .. less than able to cope emotionally, apart from her heartfelt delivery there is nothing to suggest she isn't handling this media driven circus very well. All her responses to detractors, reporters and respective government representatives have been perfectly sensible and above all rational.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As a father if a child on the autistic spectrum would you not agree with the parents when they explain that when she is home alone she is miserable and when speaking as an activist motivated?

She is not an average child however this issue has engaged her, and it's a positive one. Yes there is some emotion attached that's to be expected, I'm sure there is plenty of emotional support for Greta.. What's the alternative now, go home and back in her room? This new tactic of 'concern' as a way to promote her silence on this issue I find disturbing.

Not from yourself obviously but as a way to see her as 'less than' .. less than able to cope emotionally, apart from her heartfelt delivery there is nothing to suggest she isn't handling this media driven circus very well. All her responses to detractors, reporters and respective government representatives have been perfectly sensible and above all rational.

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh also, for anyone saying she's practically an adult at 16 years old, I *fundamentally* disagree. I know that "in the eyes of the law!" she would be at 18, but even then, there's a huge difference between 16 and 18... and also... I personally am hesitant to describe anyone under the age of 21 as "an adult" in any meaningful way which makes her not even CLOSE to adulthood.

I'm very aware of that, and I in no way said you were practically an adult at 16...however I think it is important to highlight that there are teens that are more than aware socially, environmentally and politically, there are many under 21yr olds that would balk at the suggestion they don't have the capacity to interact in a meaningful way... Look at SNP Mahari Black an MP at 20, was she unable to form a worldview at 16?
I don't think it serves any purpose to dumb young people down, if they choose to act or react in a positive way then that's great, anyone of any age can and should speak the truth to power.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Poor girl would be better at school..

you really have no idea who her parents are

her mom is a quite well known famous operatic singer Malena Ernman

Youtube video

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Thunberg

and her dad is Svante Thunberg, author, arts manager, producer, actor

''He is also associated with the work of his daughter, youth environmental activist Greta Thunberg''


my point is, she probably went to private schools idk

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

It's sad when that goes out the window when there is a point to prove..very sad.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

I don't believe it is concern.. it's just another tack to gag her.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

you really have no idea who her parents are

her mom is a quite well known famous operatic singer Malena Ernman

Youtube video

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Thunberg

and her dad is Svante Thunberg, author, arts manager, producer, actor

''He is also associated with the work of his daughter, youth environmental activist Greta Thunberg''


my point is, she probably went to private schools idk

And she should still be there...and yes I was aware who are parents are...what has that got to do with her skiving school though...are you saying that because her parents are well off she is better out of achool?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And she should still be there...and yes I was aware who are parents are...what has that got to do with her skiving school though...are you saying that because her parents are well off she is better out of achool?

no not entirely, like i also mentioned, her dad supports Greta with her activist work, so my thoughts are maybe her parents think like this about climate change, and she's somewhat brought forward by them, also makes sense how a 16 year old can appeal to the younger generation more than her parents

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm very aware of that, and I in no way said you were practically an adult at 16...however I think it is important to highlight that there are teens that are more than aware socially, environmentally and politically, there are many under 21yr olds that would balk at the suggestion they don't have the capacity to interact in a meaningful way... Look at SNP Mahari Black an MP at 20, was she unable to form a worldview at 16?
I don't think it serves any purpose to dumb young people down, if they choose to act or react in a positive way then that's great, anyone of any age can and should speak the truth to power.

Of course there's teens out there interested in this stuff. But they're teens, their time will come when they can make decisions for themselves, but until then, it's the duty of a parent to protect them.

Pushing them out in front of the World's media to pitch for an issue such as this, which is basically saying "we're all gonna die" You seiously think there's people out there that aren't gonna challenge this?

These people use children to push their message to try and use it against any different views, and think they can shut people down by saying you're bullying a child.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no not entirely, like i also mentioned, her dad supports Greta with her activist work, so my thoughts are maybe her parents think like this about climate change, and she's somewhat brought forward by them, also makes sense how a 16 year old can appeal to the younger generation more than her parents

There you go...all that says to me is her dad has used her and is using her for his beliefs...definatly better off in school away from these pushy parents.