[MB.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am

Unless you've ever used the word female, that is

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think it very much depends what your social circle is. The term cis just isn't used in my social circle, and the only place i have ever seen it used is on this forum, which is pretty ironic really given that posters are anonymous and we have no idea what sex or gender anyone is

Do you call yourself caucasian in your circle?

It's the same type of a thing, only applies when needed for differentiation

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I can't believe people are refusing to accept being called what they are. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter if people were cis or not, but it does because people who aren't cis are often treated differently because of that fact. If you say you're not cis then it means you don't identify 100% with the gender you were assigned at birth.

What privilege do you think men have that transmen don't?

[Scarlett.]

And they call us snowflakes

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

And they call us snowflakes

It's ridiculous

[Jessica.]

A Christmas present for all who feel victimised by a certain Latin word beginning with the letter C

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

I think you’ll find born woman takes 0.87457692 more seconds to say than cis

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What privilege do you think men have that transmen don't?

Originally Posted by Jessica.

A Christmas present for all who feel victimised by a certain Latin word beginning with the letter C

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know

Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know



Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

Yeah, trans women are more privileged than me even though a lot of people won't even let them go to the bathroom that they feel more comfortable using in peace. Great point.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yeah, trans women are more privileged than me even though a lot of people won't even let them go to the bathroom that they feel more comfortable using in peace. Great point.

They have been socialised as males, and so have the first foot when it comes to advancing through the world. Transwomen are biologically male, and some women don't want any males in their own spaces. Would you say someone like Boris Johnson is lacking privilege because he can't use the same bathroom as you?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They have been socialised as males, and so have the first foot when it comes to advancing through the world. Transwomen are biologically male, and some women don't want any males in their own spaces. Would you say someone like Boris Johnson is lacking privilege because he can't use the same bathroom as you?

If Boris felt more comfortable using the "ladies" bathroom then I'd have no issue with it and I think it would be silly to deny him of it.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know

Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

If a trans woman passes what’s stopping them from experiencing misogyny like a cis woman? Do you think people go around asking what chromosomes someone has before treating them like ****? And that’s excluding all the issues trans people deal with specifically..

[Swan]

Originally Posted by MB.

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

I want address this post and make perfectly clear im not bothered if certain people want to label me, or other white males with 'cis or sis (i don't even know the right one now, some people are saying cis, others are saying sis)'. I was just interested how some of the terms can realistically work? It has nothing to do with being victim, although some people seem determined to read 'im a victim' into any post from a 'cis gender' to suit their own agenda.

I don't personally identify as 'cis' because imo it's just more unnecessary, and unneeded PC nonsense. That doesn't mean to say im against those who identify in whatever they see fitting for them.

Some terms are just silly though.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I want address this post and make perfectly clear im not bothered if certain people want to label me, or other white males with 'cis or sis (i don't even know the right one now, some people are saying cis, others are saying sis)'. I was just interested how some of the terms can realistically work? It has nothing to do with being victim, although some people seem determined to read 'im a victim' into any post from a 'cis gender' to suit their own agenda.

I don't personally identify as 'cis' because imo it's just more unnecessary, and unneeded PC nonsense. That doesn't mean to say im against those who identify in whatever they see fitting for them.

Some terms are just silly though.

It's just a short term for "born as male/female" I don't get how that's PC? It seems literally anything remotely related to transpeople is just labelled as PC.

Also, you know what, I'd love for some members on here to walk a week in a transperson's shoes and see how privileged they feel. Gotta love that feeling of the government wanting to limit your rights, that feeling of constant threat from bigotted people who'd love to beat you to a pulp for simply being who you want to be. Also, generally I see the idea that "transpeople want to be a man/woman" and actually, no, we just want to be ourselves, we don't want to copy another person's personality.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Elliot

If a trans woman passes what’s stopping them from experiencing misogyny like a cis woman? Do you think people go around asking what chromosomes someone has before treating them like ****? And that’s excluding all the issues trans people deal with specifically..

What forms of misogyny do you think they might face? It's hard to answer that question without knowing what you mean.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

I keep finding myself being addressed as 'cis' in debates.... usually spat with venom

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 500, Alex.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 500, Alex.

RIP that 500.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What forms of misogyny do you think they might face? It's hard to answer that question without knowing what you mean.

I've been cat called, whistled at, shouted at, had people staring at my boobs, had boys commenting on my bum behind me while I was walking with my young niece and nephew, I've had guys touching my body when I didn't consent and I've seen jobs (especially here in Portugal) advertised for men only. I've had men assume I must be scared to be alone when my boyfriend works nights. That's not even the half of it. I'm not a particularly attractive woman, but that stuff happens because I'm a woman, no other labels. I have never whined about that stuff happening to me or blamed ALL men because other people have it even worse. It does make you feel like CRAP when it happens though. I can't even comprehend adding being trans to that.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

RIP that 500.

Who referred to you as "cis" though? Who prompted you to make this thread?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I've been cat called, whistled at, shouted at, had people staring at my boobs, had boys commenting on my bum behind me while I was walking with my young niece and nephew, I've had guys touching my body when I didn't consent and I've seen jobs (especially here in Portugal) advertised for men only. I've had men assume I must be scared to be alone when my boyfriend works nights. That's not even the half of it. I'm not a particularly attractive woman, but that stuff happens because I'm a woman, no other labels. I have never whined about that stuff happening to me or blamed ALL men because other people have it even worse. It does make you feel like CRAP when it happens though. I can't even comprehend adding being trans to that.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Ant.

Who referred to you as "cis" though? Who prompted you to make this thread?

I replied to him and used the word, I didn't say anything negative about it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dia.

It's just a short term for "born as male/female" I don't get how that's PC? It seems literally anything remotely related to transpeople is just labelled as PC.

Also, you know what, I'd love for some members on here to walk a week in a transperson's shoes and see how privileged they feel. Gotta love that feeling of the government wanting to limit your rights, that feeling of constant threat from bigotted people who'd love to beat you to a pulp for simply being who you want to be. Also, generally I see the idea that "transpeople want to be a man/woman" and actually, no, we just want to be ourselves, we don't want to copy another person's personality.

Genuine question would you rather just be called a woman though, why do we need to differentiate trans women from women because that is after all what you transitioned to be ?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I replied to him and used the word, I didn't say anything negative about it.

yeah, you replied to him and used the word, but you didn't call him "cis", did you?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Genuine question would you rather just be called a woman though, why do we need to differentiate trans women from women because that is after all what you transitioned to be ?

I prefer to be referred to as a woman, really the "Trans____" terms are only used to differentiate when needed such as in discussions like these. Most of the time transpeople prefer to be refered to as the gender they transitioned to without the 'trans' moniker

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I prefer to be referred to as a woman, really the "Trans____" terms are only used to differentiate when needed such as in discussions like these. Most of the time transpeople prefer to be refered to as the gender they transitioned to without the 'trans' moniker

I thought so!