[Cherie]

Given the news about all the parties that have had to be broken up by Police in the past 4 days alone, it's time for fines

Listened to guy who rang in from Germany yesterday (Irish we get everywhere ) they hand out on the spot fines if you are breaking the guidance, if you can't pay there and then it will come out of your salary/benefit, or if under 18 parents will have to pay

Once again the UK is far too soft, this weekend is going to be carnage, with hot weather predicted until Sunday

[bots]

if there is a large break in the lockdown, it basically resets the clock on everything, so it will be like day 1 of lockdown again. It's unfathomable that people don't understand this. The lives that will be lost ......

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Given the news about all the parties that have had to be broken up by Police in the past 4 days alone, it's time for fines



Listened to guy who rang in from Germany yesterday (Irish we get everywhere ) they hand out on the spot fines if you are breaking the guidance, if you can't pay there and then it will come out of your salary/benefit, or if under 18 parents will have to pay



Once again the UK is far too soft, this weekend is going to be carnage, with hot weather predicted until Sunday

Its not just about being soft though; that's German efficiency. We don't have quick or interlinked systems, it would be an administrative nightmare (probably an impossibility) to implement salary seizing on that scale. And that's even if admin departments and company payrolls were operating at full capacity which obviously they're not, and can't be without ruini g lockdown .

So at best you're saying "You'll be harshly fined... At some point...!" and the people who are reckless enough to be doing this in the first place, are not thinking that far ahead.

[Kate!]

Can't bear the thought of going back to square one re lockdown.

I agree its time for fines. Stop pussyfooting about.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Its not just about being soft though; that's German efficiency. We don't have quick or interlinked systems, it would be an administrative nightmare (probably an impossibility) to implement salary seizing on that scale. And that's even if admin departments and company payrolls were operating at full capacity which obviously they're not, and can't be without ruini g lockdown .

So at best you're saying "You'll be harshly fined... At some point...!" and the people who are reckless enough to be doing this in the first place, are not thinking that far ahead.

There is already system in place for fines, maybe just utilise the parking ticket system Spain and France are also fining so its not just Germany efficiency as Spain is the most ineffective country in the EU with regard to admin, there is also a system in place for fining dog owners for fouling the pavement, I think something can be tweaked, it might only take a few fines for the muppets to finally take notice, hit them in their pocket

[Denver]

Make they major fines as well not sill Ł30 fines like 5k on the spot fines

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is already system in place for fines, maybe just utilise the parking ticket system

Do you know what usually happens if you ignore a parking ticket?

Nothing.

Months, years, of empty threatening letters. Eventually threats of court action. That usually doesn't happen either. Usually the letters just stop.

A small percentage of people get taken to small claims court "to make an example" but most people never actually have to pay a penny... They rely on compliance, and people believing that there will be consequences for not paying.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you know what usually happens if you ignore a parking ticket?

Nothing.

Months, years, of empty threatening letters. Eventually threats of court action. That usually doesn't happen either. Usually the letters just stop.

A small percentage of people get taken to small claims court "to make an example" but most people never actually have to pay a penny... They rely on compliance, and people believing that there will be consequences for not paying.

It only takes a few fines to send a message, its needed at this stage

[user104658]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Make they major fines as well not sill Ł30 fines like 5k on the spot fines

There's no point in an on the spot fine of more than a few hundred pounds because most people don't have access to the money... And then you're into the situation above. For most of the people throwing bouncy castle parties in their garden, if you ask for Ł5k up front you might as well be asking for a million.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's no point in an on the spot fine of more than a few hundred pounds because most people don't have access to the money... And then you're into the situation above. For most of the people throwing bouncy castle parties in their garden, if you ask for Ł5k up front you might as well be asking for a million.

Take their NI number and pass on to HMRC/DWP..... okay they might never take the fine, but how many people are going to risk that?

[Cherie]

Its strange because its working in Spain, France and Germany, but it can't work in the UK because TS says so

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its strange because its working in Spain, France and Germany, but it can't work in the UK because TS says so

How can you possibly know that lockdown working better across Europe is down to the introduction of fines?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How can you possibly know that lockdown working better across Europe is down to the introduction of fines?

Because I have friends who live in Spain, trust me no one messes with the Guardia Civil

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

how many people are going to risk that?

Most normal people wouldn't, but I'd think the small number of people who are most likely to risk that are probably the same people who would risk throwing a garden party during a pandemic...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Because I have friends who live in Spain, trust me no one messes with the Guardia Civil

Let's not advocate for the "benefits" of police brutality Cherie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Most normal people wouldn't, but I'd think the small number of people who are most likely to risk that are probably the same people who would risk throwing a garden party during a pandemic...

a small number ….660 in Manchester alone in the last few days

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-52221688

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Let's not advocate for the "benefits" of police brutality Cherie.

well you asked? and I gave you and answer, I didn't advocate the benefits, stop twisting

[arista]

A Police Chief
up North
confirmed he will fine people over this holiday
weekend


He went on ITVnewsHD
and SkyNewsHD

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

A Police Chief
up North
confirmed he will fine people over this holiday
weekend


He went on ITVnewsHD
and SkyNewsHD

Good

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

a small number ….660 in Manchester alone in the last few days



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-52221688

There are 3,000,000 people in the greater Manchester area.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There are 3,000,000 people in the greater Manchester area.

660 parties is still quite a lot in 4 days!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

660 parties is still quite a lot in 4 days!

Depends how many there are on an average sunny long-weekend . I can't say I know what that number is, to be fair. Probably significantly more than 660 though.

[Livia]

What do you think should happen, TS, to people who flagrantly break the rules and put other people's lives at risk?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

What do you think should happen, TS, to people who flagrantly break the rules and put other people's lives at risk?

tickle them with a feather duster?

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

A Police Chief
up North
confirmed he will fine people over this holiday
weekend


He went on ITVnewsHD
and SkyNewsHD

Bout bloody time ~ hammer em hard ~ the rest of us complying are sick of these selfish Twats.