[Ron21]

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[Shaun]

And even if racial slurs were thrown around, why are we so offended by them?

Because racism is abuse purely based on the colour of one's skin?

[Ron21]

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[goroos1994]

I know where you are coming from. But I think people should have freedom of speech. But only to a degree that its not racist and that it won't harm or affect anybody. No body can really control the colour of their skin, where they came from or even sexuality. So I agree with you, but on a term that won't hurt other peoples feelings.

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[goroos1994]

The thing is, a racial slur is different to slurs for body shape and hair colour. A racial slur is based on what a person is, and is something that a person should be proud of and cannot change. Hair colour though is up to the person themself. They choose to be what they have. Same with body shape, body shape can be changed. And its up to the person to do something about it to stop the slur.

[Xon]

Originally posted by goroos1994
The thing is, a racial slur is different to slurs for body shape and hair colour. A racial slur is based on what a person is, and is something that a person should be proud of and cannot change. Hair colour though is up to the person themself. They choose to be what they have. Same with body shape, body shape can be changed. And its up to the person to do something about it to stop the slur.

I think that abuse is abuse whether it's about something you have no control over or something you choose and sometimes pointing racism out as worse then other things can cause more problems then it solves

Also i get what ron is saying but there is a line between debate and abuse. If channel 4 make a show where racists try to defend there views then fine. I'll watch it and laugh at them try and argue a good case for being a moron. But it's not a debate when it's someone being victimized in a place that is there temporary home where they should at least feel safe. It's just bullying.

[goroos1994]

No.. not in that way. What i'm saying is, that its up to the person. They can change those things about themself. But they cannot change where they are from.

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[Dan_]

Originally posted by Ron21
The so-called ''race row'' was a farce.

And even if racial slurs were thrown around, why are we so offended by them?

Freedom of speech must be 100%, as our feelings should be allowed to prevail, no matter how unpopular or anti-PC.

That's why we have Hijack now, to avoid a so-called ''race row''.

The farce of the ''race row'', with all these correctoids jumping around on Big Mouth was cringeworthy, as we have now reached a new low in society: where people are ashamed of speaking their minds, and feel they have to justify every opinion they have.

I say debate, not censor.

Censorship is the tool of the coward, debate is the technique of the confident.

Incidentally, I'm debating Speech with a member called Spitfire in the Debate section, so check it out if you like.

Why should people be subjected to some ignorant fools abuse towards them? The views of some people are darn right wrong and disgusting and don't deserve to be heard in my view.

You say debate not censor.I don't see the debate in being allowed to use racial or homophobic slurs against people, it's just a form of bullying that shouldn't be tolerated.

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[dupin]

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Shaun, do you believe we should jump on people for excerising free speech?

Of course we should, if need be. Racist abuse is usually caused by a lack of knowledge of understanding - therefore this free speech is only vocal because of the lack of education the abusers have.

If everyone was simply allowed to go around and say what they want, it'd be ridiculous. You can tell me that censorship leads to whatever, but it still does not mean that people should be allowed to show racism with no consequences.

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[Dan_]

Originally posted by Ron21
Dan:

Dan, you are every politicians wet dream.

Lol, it is people like you who are the PROBLEM!

With your attitude, and people like you, you are giving more and more powers to the state to take away our freedoms of expression!

Can you not fathom the future, whereby even the SLIGHTEST insult (racial or not, you will see this in the future, there is no doubt about that) will be recorded by CCTV, followed by armed cops cuffing you and taking you to the police station on the grounds of ''hate speech''. What will follow is your ID card (now an implanted chip) will automatically fine you and will further tax you for political dissent. You see, all words that are even slightly negative will be seen as grossly ''offensive'', and your ''crimes'' against ''civial speech'' will be seen as a most henious crime indeed.

Lol, you have no foresight... now go and follow Brown, or Cameron, or whichever Shepherd you think will lead you to a more peaceful existence.

Lol, oh, there is no hope anymore, sheeple are well and truly brain-whipped and conditioned to the point of no return.

You will live to regret your anti-libertarian beliefs, but by then you will be a walking, microchipped slave incapable of retaliation, and you, your children, and your children's children will end up bigger sheep than what you are now.

I'm not part of the problem at all.You simply cannot have any bigoted moron going around just calling people things such as the N word.Do you truly believe people should be able to get away with doing that? There is no reasoning with people that have these attitudes, they are ignorant and intolerant.

I'm not in favour of all words that are insulting being outlawed, just those that are bore out of pure ignorance.You're taking what I've said completely out of context and assumed that I'm some kind of member of the PC Brigade.

I'm happy for people to have their say but you've got to draw a line when it comes to people just using insults based upon their prejudice of someone of a certain race or sexuality.I will never regret my stance on that.

What is your justification for allowing people to use racial or homophobic insults?

[dupin]

Originally posted by Ron21
Shaun, do you believe we should jump on people for excerising free speech?

Of course we should, if need be. Racist abuse is usually caused by a lack of knowledge of understanding - therefore this free speech is only vocal because of the lack of education the abusers have.

If everyone was simply allowed to go around and say what they want, it'd be ridiculous. You can tell me that censorship leads to whatever, but it still does not mean that people should be allowed to show racism with no consequences.

[molecular]

Originally posted by dupin

Of course we should, if need be. Racist abuse is usually caused by a lack of knowledge of understanding - therefore this free speech is only vocal because of the lack of education the abusers have.

If everyone was simply allowed to go around and say what they want, it'd be ridiculous. You can tell me that censorship leads to whatever, but it still does not mean that people should be allowed to show racism with no consequences.

ignornce is wron g but it shouldnt be acrim e.

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[Dan_]

Fine, you carry on with the stance of allowing people to be insulted based upon on ignorance.Just let everyone put up with the effects of this verbal abuse because some moron 'deserves' his say.If you allow for this abuse to go unpunished then people will never learn and it will just incite more hatred and you will go back to the days where people thought it was acceptable to use this type of language.

Do you enjoy people having to put up with being insulted just because of their race or sexuality?

There's no point in trying to carry on this debate because all you're concerned about is this motion of how in the future we won't be able to use any kind of insults, rather than think of the effects of this dark age attitude of being allowed to use racial and homophobic insults causes.I think we shall have to agree to disagree.

[arista]

Ron it was Over debated on Radio and TV news
and on the Doctors show.

Sadly due to that girl (can not remember her name)
she said it to,
acting upset.
Endemol had to act


Case Closed

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[Dan_]

Originally posted by Ron21

Here is the difference Dan:

If communities or families deem certain speech innaprorpiate, they are free to condemn or praise whatever is said.

However, the state should NEVER be able to punish (i.e. from a legal standpoint) it's citizens for ''hate speech''. This is all part of their game plan; their abuse of power and totalitarian control. The more permission WE give THEM to impinge on our freedoms, the LESS able we will be to claim our freedoms back in the future!

It is NOT the role of the state to dictate what we say or believe, though they would love this to be the case, because, as I have already noted, they PROFIT from the increase of civilian oppression.

Who says they have to put up with it?

They can counter-claim, can they not?

Whether I ''enjoy'' it is neither here nor there, I simply don't want the state controlling how we think and speak.

Why is being allowed to voice an opinion or belief something we should reject?

Further, it doesn't end with speech, the state benefit from all kinds of new laws they pass through, all aimed at giving THEM more power, money and growth whilst forcing US to pay higher taxes, exist under oppression and behave and think like robotic entities, as opposed to free thinking humans.

They will have to put up with it because there's going to be nothing to stop those who choose to insult them.

For sure they can counter-claim it by denoting what they've said and tell them that it's out ignorance and so forth but what good will it do? Will these people just accept what they say and change their attitudes? I don't think so, they will just continue beating the same drum and perhaps even become further incensed by those who dare to argue against what they've said.

Why should people be allowed to carry on with their tirade of bile? Can you imagine racists and the homophobes just being allowed to go up to people and insulting them all they like and have no fear of anything happening to them.How is this productive?

If the government wished to totally outlaw free speech, why haven't they already implemented it? It's hardly like it's just a new thing where you're made to pay for using racist insults.I'll tell you why it's not been implemented yet because people wouldn't put up with it and the opposition would oppose it to get in.

What's been done about the reduced free speech these days then? Furthermore, what have you done about it? Vote for the BNP?

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[molecular]

sticks an stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me. i hneard that when was young and always liveds by it, why do people need be protected by government just for a\ bit of name calling, just pay no attention to hatefull pweople.

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