[UserSince2005]

Such a pivotal moment in world history.

Some piccies from my trip to Hiroshima earlier this year.

Spoiler:

[Nicky91]

yes there was a memorial of this, this week

with appropriate covid measures of course (almost everyone at memorial wore face masks) and correct social distancing either


there was also a speech by their president


https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/So...ki-75-years-on

[UserSince2005]

it was so harrowing for meself to go to such a place

[Tom4784]

The Allies' greatest shame.

An estimated 200,000+ civilians died when the explosions happened and the lasting radiation and effects of the bombing would have health-related consequences for children that weren't even born yet but would pay the price regardless. All because finishing the war without resorting to committing an atrocity would be expensive.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Allies' greatest shame.

An estimated 200,000+ civilians died when the explosions happened and the lasting radiation and effects of the bombing would have health-related consequences for children that weren't even born yet but would pay the price regardless. All because finishing the war without resorting to committing an atrocity would be expensive.

The Japanese think it was the right thing to do.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Allies' greatest shame.

An estimated 200,000+ civilians died when the explosions happened and the lasting radiation and effects of the bombing would have health-related consequences for children that weren't even born yet but would pay the price regardless. All because finishing the war without resorting to committing an atrocity would be expensive.

America had the help of a Former Nazi Scientist
to get these Bombs ready.


Japan would not stop
they were not giving up,
So the Atomic Bombs ended WW2.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes it saved millions of lives, a very necessary evil and it led to nuclear disarmament programs around the world

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

The Japanese think it was the right thing to do.

According to a 2015 poll, that's simply not correct.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...f-atomic-bomb/

[Tom4784]

Would it be a necessary evil if the situation is reversed or is it only a necessary evil when it's not us that pays the price?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Would it be a necessary evil if the situation is reversed or is it only a necessary evil when it's not us that pays the price?

if you had any understanding of what the japanese used to do during the war i am sure you would quit the line you have naively chosen

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it led to nuclear disarmament programs around the world

...considering the US were the only country with nuclear arms at the time, and now there are (reportedly) 9 countries with them, that is a strange take on events? If anything this was the key event that caused the USSR to become so obsessive over them.

There's only one country that's actually developed and deactivated nuclear weapons and that is South Africa.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

...considering the US were the only country with nuclear arms at the time, and now there are (reportedly) 9 countries with them, that is a strange take on events? If anything this was the key event that caused the USSR to become so obsessive over them.

There's only one country that's actually developed and deactivated nuclear weapons and that is South Africa.

this was the first time nuclear bombs were used in combat

and the last...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if you had any understanding of what the japanese used to do during the war i am sure you would quit the line you have naively chosen

The japanese army was cruel and vicious, what they did to Korea was beyond the pale but it wasn't the japanese military that shouldered the brunt of the casualties, it was civilians that were unlucky enough to be born in Japan under that regime.

Instead of ignorantly calling me naive, you should consider the moral implications of your own point and should consider re-calibrating your own moral compass if you think the maiming of civilians is at all justifiable, nevermind hurting generations yet to be born.

Again, would you be so supportive of the bombing if we were bombed instead? If the UK was host to a vicious regime and a cruel army? Would you say it was justified then? No, I'm guessing you wouldn't if you had to bear the consequences of it.

It's so easy to act like an attrocity was justified when you aren't affected by it.

[UserSince2005]

Listen, a thread about my travel pics does not need to get into a debate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes it saved millions of lives, a very necessary evil and it led to nuclear disarmament programs around the world

It lead to a massive priority being placed on the development and stockpiling of ever-higher-yield nuclear weapons because M.A.D. was the only way to ensure against nuclear weapons being used to secure total global domination.

The constant anxiety of the Cold War lead to nuclear deproliferation programs around the world (note: not even the same thing as disarmament).

[user104658]

As for whether or not the action was justified or right at the time, to be honest it's a guessing game. There's no way to know what would have happened if it had been done differently, or what the eventual collateral damage of a conventional war would have been. It's an interesting conundrum to mull over as a thought experiment but any claim to know what would have been right/better is completely in the realms of Captain Hindsight.