[Ammi]

...as sad as it makes me, I have absolutely no doubt that Tump will be re-elected for his second term...with his words, he incites and encourages violence, in order to use that violence to an advantage point... “He fell, and then they very violently attacked him...he probably would have been killed.”....the more violent he can encourage, the more he can ‘become the saviour and what America needs right now to protect against ‘Democratic run cities’....’....he’s written it, hasn’t he...it won’t even be a close thing, I don’t think because this is the great America he has written...and I doubt that Biden has any chance at all...

...’we deserve better than this..’...are the words of the Rev Jesse Jackson...and he’s speaking for ‘White’ as well as ‘black’ because all lives matter to him...he doesn’t speak on colour, he speaks for right against wrong...and Trump is so wrong for the USA and he’s so wrong for the world and we all deserve better than this, as Jesse says...better than someone who ‘just came for a commercial...’...sadly though, I don’t think that better is what we will get....

[Liam-]

[The Slim Reaper]

[arista]

[Liam-]

[Liam-]

A pro-trump radical right wing bigot government candidate posting threatening images of minority congresswomen? I am SHOCKED, shocked I tell you

[Ammi]

...I read this story yesterday, what Trump apparently said, it’s been widely reported...


Joe Biden attacks Donald Trump over report he called war dead 'losers'

Joe Biden has said Donald Trump should "humbly apologise" for reportedly calling US war dead "losers" and "suckers".

The Democratic presidential candidate described the president's alleged remarks as "disgusting" and "damnable".

The claims date to 2018 when Mr Trump cancelled his trip to a cemetery in France, which was blamed on bad weather at the time.

According to The Atlantic, Mr Trump is reported to have asked his aides: "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

In a separate conversation, it is alleged that the president branded US marines who lost their lives at the Battle of Belleau Wood in the First World War as "suckers".


...obviously the Donald denies he said it but he denies and lies/it’s what he does, so isn’t really a reliable source....


...full article...

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...ckers-12063179

[Crimson Dynamo]

OOPS

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Hang on how personal can political words be? If you want good things for all then who cares who said it first?

That said it does not look good to be caught out in a lie, unless you're trump obv.
All this footage is from 88.. surely 32yrs in the political wilderness is penance enough?

Maybe it's internal sabotage like we had.. the dems screwing over their own. ...nah they already did that to sanders.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

All this footage is from 88.. surely 32yrs in the political wilderness is penance enough?

And he was only 40-odd at the time remember

Trump and Corbyn for example have both had things from decades ago bandied about as reasons note to vote for them, so why should Biden be any different

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

Pretty lady

[Liam-]

The difference being is that Biden has very clearly changed after being enlightened and challenged through his years in government, Trump has never had to face the reality of his bigotry and as a result, most definitely has not changed the views he has always held, if anything, they seem to have gotten worse as he’s gotten older

[Swan]

Neck and neck now with most bookmakers, some have Biden slight favourite. I still think Trump will win as it stands, however with a good performance in the debates Biden could easily take it.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...on-2020/winner

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Neck and neck now with most bookmakers, some have Biden slight favourite. I still think Trump will win as it stands, however with a good performance in the debates Biden could easily take it.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...on-2020/winner

He's 10 pts ahead in the polls. The bookies are irrelevant.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He's 10 pts ahead in the polls. The bookies are irrelevant.

Nah they're not.

Also, Clinton was way ahead too in 2016.

[Liam-]

Well they are, cause it’s based on what people think is going to happen, the polls are what people want to happen

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well they are, cause it’s based on what people think is going to happen, the polls are what people want to happen

So 2 horse race, 1 horse 1/100 the other 1000/1. But bookie prices are irreverent? Ok.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

So 2 horse race, 1 horse 1/100 the other 1000/1. But bookie prices are irreverent? Ok.

Well yes, cause like you said, Hillary was the very clear cut favourite with the bookies last time and she didn’t win

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well yes, cause like you said, Hillary was the very clear cut favourite with the bookies last time and she didn’t win

A bookmaker never gets fooled twice. They were wrong last time admittedly.

[Swan]

The odds also reflect the general consensus, even the most hardcore supporter of either candidate will admit it'll be close.

[arista]

"Pretty lady"


Yes LT she is.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

The odds also reflect the general consensus, even the most hardcore supporter of either candidate will admit it'll be close.

They don't. They reflect who is betting money on it. Bookies are in the money business, not the consensus business.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well yes, cause like you said, Hillary was the very clear cut favourite with the bookies last time and she didn’t win

Also wasn't Remaini the heavy favourite going into voting day?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They don't. They reflect who is betting money on it. Bookies are in the money business, not the consensus business.

They literally employ researchers and analysts on sport, racing, TV, speciality bets (like politics) etc. They make the odds, and they'll fluctuate depending on bets placed yes, but that's not the only way they'll go up or down.

Trust me, if a video emerges of Trump saying 'all Christians are dumb' or something that will effect the vote, his odds will massively drift. If on election night Biden is 1/50 to win, he'll win, making the odds relevant.

The bookies are in both the money business, and the general consensus business. They're not the be all end all, but they're certainly not irrelevant.

[Liam-]

Trump has just been endorsed by Osama Bin Laden’s niece... the honour