[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure that's goes on alot.

But after the long CBS interview
on ITV1HD we got to understand
the bitterness that Harry and Meghan have.

They are being proved to be liars

The queen polity told them they was talking bollox by saying some recollections may vary.

Basically their version of the truth is wrong.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You are so wrong about this that it is not worth wasting my time.

You have a good day

You have a better one

[GoldHeart]

Harry was as much in danger as the other soldiers as they were all front line . But obviously being who he is , there was always that risk aswell with the Taliban using that to their advantage.

A programme was actually made around the scenario of ' what if ' Prince Harry got kidnapped & what would happen etc . It didn't go down well at the time with the military .

[Ammi]

...the Queen isn’t inferring that anyone is ‘lying’, we all know that there are many truths and that they often vary...no one is going to stand up and say...’yes, I’m racist...that would be me, hello there...’...’recollections may vary’ is a version of no comment...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

1. There is no bias or double standards in this case, just fairness and common sense.

Originally Posted by jet

Never underestimate the Queen, ever!

............... I mean it’s barely even worth pointing out, everyone can see you there with your flag and hat jet even the people who agree with you. You’re not hiding it?

[joeysteele]

He did active service, it's incredible his integrity of wanting to be like any other doing so is now being questioned.
I wonder would Prince William if he's so furious at things Prince Harry has decided to do now, would be cheering this character assassination of his Brother's efforts in Afghanistan.

We didn't know he was there until the media broke it, then there was uproar as to his safety.
Because really for terrorists there or elsewhere, thinking they could get a Royal as hostage, would be like all their Christmases coming at once.

On the front line in the military there are no spare parts or hangers on.
He would have to do as much as he was ordered to and the others had to.

If people think the military operate different to that, then they are very sadly mistaken.
Especially so, in an occupied Country scenario.
That was a considered war zone.
Not a peace time scenario.

I had 3 Brothers who all served in the Forces, RAF and the Army, they insist, NO ONE gets any free rides.

How this threads gone from Prince William being rightly upset at a decision his Brother has made, to further questioning the level of Prince Harry's duties on the front line, by now dismissing his contributions there in his time there, is really bad in my view.

I don't believe their rift is as deep as the toxic media would have us believe.
However too, looking at both sides, I'd guess Prince Harry is rightly upset that his Brother, didn't support him and his wife more when they were struggling.

However again, I'd bet easily that Prince William would be much more than furious, at his Brother's service in the armed forces being questioned and dismissively diminished.
Prince William wouldn't in my view be a good Brother if he was to even think of supporting that.

My guess is that on some issues, both will be pretty upset with each other.
Which time will heal or maybe just ease a little.

They have different choices they've made for their lives and family now.
Neither decision is a crime however.
Not at all.
So good luck to both families from me.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the Queen isn’t inferring that anyone is ‘lying’, we all know that there are many truths and that they often vary...no one is going to stand up and say...’yes, I’m racist...that would be me, hello there...’...’recollections may vary’ is a version of no comment...

It don’t me no comment at all.

Like meghans crap about getting married 3 days before, it’s there version of the truth.

And we know why the racist card was bought up on the back of Black Lives Matter

All adds to them being the victims instead of them running away from responsibility after getting a 32 million pound wedding.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the Queen isn’t inferring that anyone is ‘lying’, we all know that there are many truths and that they often vary...no one is going to stand up and say...’yes, I’m racist...that would be me, hello there...’...’recollections may vary’ is a version of no comment...

I personally think “recollections may vary” may in this case be a reference to, for one, context (she’s suggesting that it wasn’t meant the way they’ve taken it) and for two... should be taken with the view that she probably was not there herself during this conversation. She’s heard what Harry has said and has asked the accused family member what was said and they’ve given a different version. So she can say “recollections vary” i.e. she has heard different accounts of what was said, but she wasn’t there so isn’t necessarily calling either a liar, just pointing out that she doesn’t know first hand.

[jet]

The Queens statement “Recollections may vary” imo meant “your recollection of events are adjusted to suit your narrative and are not necessarily truthful.” - and it wasn't just referring to the accusation of a racist comment.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I personally think “recollections may vary” may in this case be a reference to, for one, context (she’s suggesting that it wasn’t meant the way they’ve taken it) and for two... should be taken with the view that she probably was not there herself during this conversation. She’s heard what Harry has said and has asked the accused family member what was said and they’ve given a different version. So she can say “recollections vary” i.e. she has heard different accounts of what was said, but she wasn’t there so isn’t necessarily calling either a liar, just pointing out that she doesn’t know first hand.

...it might also be that it was a comment ‘thrown out there’ and actually not recalled at all, even in any vague way... so it’s very much open to lots of meanings but not being inferred that it’s a lie...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

The Queens statement “Recollections may vary” imo meant “your recollection of events are adjusted to suit your narrative and are not necessarily truthful.” - and it wasn't just referring to the accusation of a racist comment.

Everyone’s recollection of events is always skewed towards their own narrative, that’s basic human psychology, so the balanced view would be to assume (if one was not there) that the truth lies somewhere between the two accounts... not that one party is an out and out liar and the other an oracle of truth whose version is beyond question. The Queen is a clever lady, she knows fine well that if she’s hearing two versions, the truth is probably in the murky middle ground (in this specific case,it’s probably that the comments were made “tongue in cheek” and whoever said it wrongly assumed Harry wouldn’t be offended).

Never doubt the Queen’s intelligence jet :Nono:

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

............... I mean it’s barely even worth pointing out, everyone can see you there with your flag and hat jet even the people who agree with you. You’re not hiding it?

I'm not a flag and hat kind of person TS.
I'm much more interested in Royal history through the ages, the current crop are the latest in a long line of intriguing stories and characters.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Everyone’s recollection of events is always skewed towards their own narrative, that’s basic human psychology, so the balanced view would be to assume (if one was not there) that the truth lies somewhere between the two accounts... not that one party is an out and out liar and the other an oracle of truth whose version is beyond question. The Queen is a clever lady, she knows fine well that if she’s hearing two versions, the truth is probably in the murky middle ground (in this specific case,it’s probably that the comments were made “tongue in cheek” and whoever said it wrongly assumed Harry wouldn’t be offended).

Never doubt the Queen’s intelligence jet :Nono:

Yes, makes sense.
I did say 'not necessarily truthful'.
Not once in the whole of the 2 hour interview did Meghan or Harry own any fault or take any responsibility whatsoever for the events that unfolded. That says to me that their accounts are, again, 'not necessarily truthful' - in fact, we now know that Meghan in particular (as she was the prime interviewee) told outright lies.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it might also be that it was a comment ‘thrown out there’ and actually not recalled at all, even in any vague way... so it’s very much open to lots of meanings but not being inferred that it’s a lie...

The queen is a wise old bird and seen everything under the sun in her time on the throne and will know who said what without doubt.

[Ammi]

...there is no ‘without a doubt’ for anyone who didn’t very clearly witness a specific incident/conversation themselves and we don’t know of anyone’s personal recollections ......and even then, there would only ever indeed be their own recollection of it and recollections may vary, she is indeed a person of wisdom to observe that ...that there are many truths, so she’s refraining from commenting further...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The queen is a wise old bird and seen everything under the sun in her time on the throne and will know who said what without doubt.

She’s certainly wise enough to hear “Liz, someone in the family made a questionable comment or joke about the race/colour of Harry’s potential children” and think “Yes that sounds likely”.

I mean come on. Can anyone who knows anything about the royals over the years really have been shocked when they claimed that something was said? I think Oprah massively over-acted her shock if anything. I’d be more surprised if Harry had come out and said “no one ever mentioned it” . The only surprise was when he said it wasn’t Philip. 20 years ago he would have been joking about it in public.

[bots]

the concept of william being furious over such a trivial set of circumstances is absurd. Surely people realise this

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She’s certainly wise enough to hear “Liz, someone in the family made a questionable comment or joke about the race/colour of Harry’s potential children” and think “Yes that sounds likely”.

I mean come on. Can anyone who knows anything about the royals over the years really have been shocked when they claimed that something was said? I think Oprah massively over-acted her shock if anything. I’d be more surprised if Harry had come out and said “no one ever mentioned it” . The only surprise was when he said it wasn’t Philip. 20 years ago he would have been joking about it in public.

...listening to some of the American body language people interpreting Harry’s words of ‘awkward and a bit shocked’...it’s being more interpreted as ....wow, so it was pretty shocking, then.....I mean, it would take a lot to attach awkward and a bit shocked to such a private comment within the family../are some body language interpretations....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She’s certainly wise enough to hear “Liz, someone in the family made a questionable comment or joke about the race/colour of Harry’s potential children” and think “Yes that sounds likely”.

I mean come on. Can anyone who knows anything about the royals over the years really have been shocked when they claimed that something was said? I think Oprah massively over-acted her shock if anything. I’d be more surprised if Harry had come out and said “no one ever mentioned it” . The only surprise was when he said it wasn’t Philip. 20 years ago he would have been joking about it in public.

Apart from Philip and his off the cuff remarks, what makes you state that any of the senior Royals would be likely to say something racist?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

or some were he has ever mentioned he wanted to live.

Stop pretending you know these people personally. You don't.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The front line is the front line in a war zone. Did you want him shot to prove he has seen active service? I'm sure the other soldiers he served with will tell you that the danger was very real every minute of every day

Yep.
It's the same rubbish that doesn't believe Meghan's mental health struggles because she didn't in fact end up committing suicide. Just sick.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Stop pretending you know these people personally. You don't.

I know the queen knows who said what she delayed the palace reply to find out exactly what was said.

If you don’t like it tough.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I know the queen knows who said what she delayed the palace reply to find out exactly what was said.

If you don’t like it tough.

Had no response to what my reply was about so opted to answer a question I didn't ask.

Ok.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yep.
It's the same rubbish that doesn't believe Meghan's mental health struggles because she didn't in fact end up committing suicide. Just sick.

You clearly ain’t got a single clue about mental health and what is to be suffering from it.

To us the mental health card is disgusting to those that have their lives and their families life’s destroyed by it

She didn’t get help with mental health because she didn’t have any mental issues only a desire to get back to America

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You clearly ain’t got a single clue about mental health and what is to be suffering from it.

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried. And you're trying very hard.