[Nicky91]

it is more about the when for me


wish there would be one location available again in my city eindhoven (don't get anyway why they have so little locations available given it is very crowded at the moment at some of these locations, many queue's waiting time can go for hours depending on where you stand in those and what time you arrive at those locations)



and i am not in the mood to go to pop up location in Geldrop (that neighbourhood where it is at i don't quite trust, an area where there has been lots of crime) and Helmond is too far away for me

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Identifying trends and using those trends to form a hypothesis is not the same thing as drawing conclusions - and therein lies the problem. An optimistic hypothesis is fine if it makes people feel better but drawing a conclusion from not enough data is bad science and just a bad idea generally.

Also observed correlation without control variables (as mass public data always is) does not imply causation. In other words, we have no idea if the lower death and hospitalisation figures are because “omicron is milder” or because of some other variable, such as a shift in infection demographic, effect of vaccination, old/vulnerable having previous natural immunity (or already being dead from it) etc.

People are using it to declare that Omicron is mild. We do not know that.

You can look at the lower deaths and say “phew, that’s good, hopefully something has changed that means things won’t be as bad as thought”.

You cannot look at it and say “Omg Omicron is clearly mild whup tee too Covid is just a cold now quick everyone, get back out there and snog!”

Not until there is real, robust, variable-controlled clinical data that actually shows the variant to be milder. Not until we’re well past the peak of infections and know how high that number will go.

It may be the case. I’ve never said otherwise. I’ve said there isn’t enough data to go on and there won’t be for probably another month or so. That is the simple fact. I know that people wish it wasn’t and want to believe that optimistic observations and predictions are facts. I know why. But I think it’s risky thinking - and certainly not thinking to base actual policy decisions on, as people seem to want to happen.

I think the phrase people need to keep in mind is “cautious optimism”. But maybe that’s a bit too “middle ground” for 2021, I know people are keen to throw their eggs into a basket.

A year or so ago you was working in a betting shop no you are head of the world health organisation

Intelligent people are not jumping the gun

[arista]

LBC reports
40% of booked Covid appointments
are being wasted, as they do not turn up.

That's real bad.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

LBC reports
40% of booked Covid appointments
are being wasted, as they do not turn up.

That's real bad.

i wouldn't do that


i'd only make a appointment when i'm 100% certain of actually going


and for now i am at 85% certain of going to get a jab, i just hope i don't get anything bad from the vaccine


but staying unvaxxed isn't an option either, because i don't want long covid

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

LBC reports
40% of booked Covid appointments
are being wasted, as they do not turn up.

That's real bad.

There maybe an overlap because you can book online then your surgery calls and either gives you an earlier appointment or tells you just to go to your nearest vaccine roll out

[arista]

[arista]

NYC is going ahead with Masked Street Celebrations
tonight


But LL Cool J
was meant to be there
but now has Covid,
won't be there.


CNN HD

[bots]

More from Professor Peter Openshaw, who says someone only needs to be exposed to "a whiff of infected breath" to catch the highly transmissible Omicron variant of coronavirus.

"Omicron is so infectious. We're lucky really that it wasn't this infectious when it first moved into human-to-human transmission," he told BBC Breakfast.

"We've had several iterations of this virus going through different stages of its evolution.

"It has ended up being so infectious that it almost needs just a whiff of infected breath and you could get infected."

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if that's not alarmist, what is?

[arista]

Originally Posted by MeghansLetterToSanta

More from Professor Peter Openshaw, who says someone only needs to be exposed to "a whiff of infected breath" to catch the highly transmissible Omicron variant of coronavirus.

"Omicron is so infectious. We're lucky really that it wasn't this infectious when it first moved into human-to-human transmission," he told BBC Breakfast.

"We've had several iterations of this virus going through different stages of its evolution.

"It has ended up being so infectious that it almost needs just a whiff of infected breath and you could get infected."

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if that's not alarmist, what is?

Paris is now Outside all must by law
have a Mask on.

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Paris is now Outside all must by law
have a Mask on.

the latest data coming out of america is that anything less than kn95 face masks are completely useless

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Rituals of the cult.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MeghansLetterToSanta

the latest data coming out of America is that anything less than kn95 face masks are completely useless

Yes, so they say

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

A year or so ago you was working in a betting shop no you are head of the world health organisation

Intelligent people are not jumping the gun

Two and a half years ago, and since then I've finished my degree and my wife has gained a research Masters.

Not everyone stagnates in life sheriff.

Also, if you'd care to actually read my posts, all I'm stating is that we do NOT know the full picture. I'm not claiming expertise, saying that I know anything specific, or drawing conclusions. I'm saying that other people are too keen to draw conclusions. So it's actually pretty much the exact opposite of what you're saying. I'm freely admitting that "I don't know" - I'm just pointing out that no one else on this thread knows anything either, but I'm seeing an awful lot of bold claims about Omicron and how it's going to go, based on absolutely nothing at all.

Because...

We do not have enough data yet.

Less than two months of data, less than half way into a situation, with no measurable peak, is not enough data. It's not complicated, it's really simple.

"We don't know anything yet, stop pretending that we do"

That's it, that's all. I could have made that statement whatever job I was doing so really the pointed comments are needless, but telling. Again I understand that people are tired, scared and frustrated and desperately want to glimpse the light at the end of the tunnel... but lighting a match in front of your face and saying "oh look there it is!" is just nonsense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio

[arista]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio

Yes was the same on LBC an hour ago or so

[arista]

In 10 days
in USA,
12-15 year olds will get their Booster Jab


CNN HD Live
New Day Prog.

[bots]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio

that figure could easily be people isolating .... take a look at the infection rate and the absences from work

[user104658]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio

I think this is sometimes a bit complicated and not just down to people not caring - it was a shambles when I got my booster. Nearly a 2 hour queue, indoors, basically zero social distancing. Wasn't too risky because it was before this wave took off... and even then there were several walk-outs. Some people getting impatient, others literally couldn't stay (e.g. they had booked in their lunch hour and couldn't take a 3-hour break, or they had kids to pick up from school, etc.) plus if it's the same now I can see people walking out of that situation just because it's not really Covid-safe. Some places seem to be much better than others, total mixed bag in terms of vaccine centres, but yeah basically no real way to know how many are actual "no shows" and how many are people who did turn up, but had to leave before getting the vaccine because of massive delays.

I have no idea why it's gone to **** around here, first and second vax were really efficient, they had 10+ vaccinators in stations around a large room. For the booster it was one small room with two vaccinators... queue of 50-100 people literally down the corridor, round the waiting room, then down a flight of stairs.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Two and a half years ago, and since then I've finished my degree and my wife has gained a research Masters.

Not everyone stagnates in life sheriff.

Also, if you'd care to actually read my posts, all I'm stating is that we do NOT know the full picture. I'm not claiming expertise, saying that I know anything specific, or drawing conclusions. I'm saying that other people are too keen to draw conclusions. So it's actually pretty much the exact opposite of what you're saying. I'm freely admitting that "I don't know" - I'm just pointing out that no one else on this thread knows anything either, but I'm seeing an awful lot of bold claims about Omicron and how it's going to go, based on absolutely nothing at all.

Because...

We do not have enough data yet.

Less than two months of data, less than half way into a situation, with no measurable peak, is not enough data. It's not complicated, it's really simple.

"We don't know anything yet, stop pretending that we do"

That's it, that's all. I could have made that statement whatever job I was doing so really the pointed comments are needless, but telling. Again I understand that people are tired, scared and frustrated and desperately want to glimpse the light at the end of the tunnel... but lighting a match in front of your face and saying "oh look there it is!" is just nonsense.

I will say it once again, intelligent people are not jumping the gun

You or your wife’s degree don’t mean nothing on a big brother forum.

And it seems getting a degree allows you to get paid while spending your time posting on here.

[bots]

at the vaccination centre i visited, i wasn't overly comfortable with the number of people and the distancing. It was the biggest group of people i had been in, in the last 18 months I think there are a lot of people like me who are various degrees of nervous from uncomfortable to outright scared crapless because of the mental stress of the last 2 years.

To me that is worse than anything covid has thrown at us to date

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MeghansLetterToSanta

that figure could easily be people isolating .... take a look at the infection rate and the absences from work

but surely they would call and rebook?

[bots]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

but surely they would call and rebook?

ive already had 2 reminders from the NHS advising me to get my booster, both weeks after I had already been jabbed. The booking system is not perfect by any means, their tracking is not perfect by any means, so while there may be a trend of people not turning up, i wouldnt take the data as gospel

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I will say it once again, intelligent people are not jumping the gun

I'm not sure what you're saying here. That the people on this thread who are jumping the gun are unintelligent?

You or your wife’s degree don’t mean nothing on a big brother forum.

That's why I literally have never mentioned either until you brought up my previous job? I know it's not relevant, you claim to know it's not relevant, so why did you bring it up? .

And it seems getting a degree allows you to get paid while spending your time posting on here.

I can't argue with that although, not going to lie, I spent a good chunk of my time at the Bookies posting on here from my phone so that's nothing new. In fact from about 6pm - closing at 10pm... it was 90% of how I spent my time .

[AnnieK]

My booster appointment was really easy - I arrived on time and was straight in and out. It was an appointment only centre which I think was better as my friend has been working in a health centre where they have appointments and walk-ins and it has been chaos at times.