[Denver]

4 Russian fighter jets have violated Swedish airspace

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Denver

4 Russian fighter hats have violated Swedish airspace

course they bloody have, they are not in Nato either

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No. the graph proves that people trust the EU more than our own leaders (both main parties). Nothing else. You extrapolated the rest of it. You're now agreeing with me that soldiers do what they're told, so I'm not sure what your argument is, and is also in contradiction of your original argument that soldiers opinions matter more than civvies.

99% of people can barely agree the sky s blue, so the hypothetical I gave you was to explain and show you why you are incorrect, not because 99% of people are likely to start protesting government, especially since that kind of action now carries a 10yr prison sentence. But we are the free nation?

The police can not police a protest that would incurr a ten year jail term for anyone involved..you would need poll tax scenes minimum for that...one that would need the army involved to keep the peace.


BUT...we are taking about world war 3 possibilities....SO.

The only time the army may go against the establishment in this country is if they are ordered to attack their own people..


I'm adding all this up, and what it says to me is that if people are out in 99 percent of the population, protesting for war to defend the eastern EU countries the army will be sent in to keep the peace, but 10 percent of the army want this as well as the 99 percent of the citizens.....

Or, 1 percent are out not wanting war, and 90 percent of the army are with them...


And you want the war mongers to be the ones we should follow for the sake of your graph?


Are you as much of commie as the man in your sig?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one listened to all the people who marched against Tony Blair's illegal war.

That's not true, 2 million marched, and nobody wanted war then. Which is why they had to lie about WMD to sway public opinion.

[bots]

no-one in the western world wants war in europe, but they will defend themselves. I think what has happened to ukraine has given everyone a shake and they don't want it repeated

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no-one in the western world wants war in europe, but they will defend themselves. I think what has happened to ukraine has given everyone a shake and they don't want it repeated

What IS happening to Ukraine, not what has.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Denver

4 Russian fighter jets have violated Swedish airspace

Why are they even in Sweden anyway, no where near Ukraine , although the flags are the same colour, maybe they got mixed up

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The police can not police a protest that would incurr a ten year jail term for anyone involved..you would need poll tax scenes minimum for that...one that would need the army involved to keep the peace.


BUT...we are taking about world war 3 possibilities....SO.

The only time the army may go against the establishment in this country is if they are ordered to attack their own people..


I'm adding all this up, and what it says to me is that if people are out in 99 percent of the population, protesting for war to defend the eastern EU countries the army will be sent in to keep the peace, but 10 percent of the army want this as well as the 99 percent of the citizens.....

Or, 1 percent are out not wanting war, and 90 percent of the army are with them...


And you want the war mongers to be the ones we should follow for the sake of your graph?


Are you as much of commie as the man in your sig?

Firstly, neither of us are communists. I was a trot in my younger days, but that's the difference between people who experiment and study, versus people who use communist in the pejorative without actually understanding anything about it. Exact same thing with Marxism and socialism. I'm a socialist by the way, if you want the catch-all label I'd use to describe my own political leanings.

The 10yr prison sentences for protesting is law now (passed 2 nights ago). Police just arrest people, it's the courts that pass sentences. It doesn't require any violence or poll tax style people on the streets and violence. it just requires a protest to be an inconvenience or a bit loud so that someone complains. Protests are there to create discomfort and be loud, so you see the issue? I stand by this, whether it was the pro-brexit, England flag waving Galahads, or the jack booted, stab vest military style scary uniforms of BLM. Protest is a fundamental part of democracy - which we pretend we still live under.

I don't get the maths stuff you've tried to do at all, so if either you or anyone else can explain a bit better, i'll be happy to reply. I'm not being a smart arse, i just genuinely don't understand it.

just to clarify the last sentence, are you saying that the EU are the war mongers in this situation and not Putin?

I just posted a graph that explains that under polling, the EU is more trusted than our own political leaders. It's really not any more complicated than that.

[Beso]

My main point is, people trust the eu leaders above their own..in doing that, they will ne the first ones leading us into a war, if they protest en masse in support of their preferred choices in the poll....

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My main point is, people trust the eu leaders above their own..in doing that, they will ne the first ones leading us into a war, if they protest en masse in support of their preferred choices in the poll....

For me, it just highlights that people know the political system is completely broken in this country, but they don't know what to do about it. How will trusting the EU over Johnson or Starmer lead us into more war? Johnson and his cabinet are funded by the perps of the war, and Starmer is so desperate to win the votes of tories, he's trying to outflank Boris from the right.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For me, it just highlights that people know the political system is completely broken in this country, but they don't know what to do about it. How will trusting the EU over Johnson or Starmer lead us into more war? Johnson and his cabinet are funded by the perps of the war, and Starmer is so desperate to win the votes of tories, he's trying to outflank Boris from the right.

To answer the question on how will it lead us to more war....I would have to use your hypothetical that the graph showed up, and your following posts about protesting.. I've involved myself in your hypothesis for long enough in explaining myself.

God save the queen.

[glib]

A good distraction for Boris from the delayed MET POLICE report, which will probably never come out, Boris stays in power until 2024

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

To answer the question on how will it lead us to more war....I would have to use your hypothetical that the graph showed up, and your following posts about protealsting.. I've involved myself in your hypothesis for long enough in explaining myself.

God save the queen.

You really don't, you just need to explain how having more support for the EU will lead us into more war. That doesn't need a graph, and there is no data (which graphs utilise) that could even prove that true/false.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You really don't, you just need to explain how having more support for the EU will lead us into more war. That doesn't need a graph, and there is no data (which graphs utilise) that could even prove that true/false.

Simply put..

Romania is in danger, and they are in the EU, Britain is not..we are in NATO, which Romania ain't..

Supporting the EU, will force us to support them before we have to support ourselves.

[Beso]

Dont really matter, cause putin will dangle his nuclear war balls all over all our faces and do what he wants.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Simply put..

Romania is in danger, and they are in the EU, Britain is not..we are in NATO, which Romania ain't..

Supporting the EU, will force us to support them before we have to support ourselves.

We're not in the EU. We left because Romanians could come here, so you don't have to worry about going there.

Again, all that graph shows is that people can recognise folks trying to do right, opposed to chancers and liars, as long as they're given the chance to think clearly.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We're not in the EU. We left because Romanians could come here, so you don't have to worry about going there.

Again, all that graph shows is that people can recognise folks trying to do right, opposed to chancers and liars, as long as they're given the chance to think clearly.

You want johnson or steamer to say certain things that will endanger us all.. things like that dont happen when the big bomb, and indeed bombs come into play



A maniac in this situation in the world would mention nuclear...all other calm heads would say anything but in public.

Its the british way...God save the queen.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You want johnson or steamer to say certain things that will endanger us all.. things like that dont happen when the big bomb, and indeed bombs come into play



A maniac in this situation in the world would mention nuclear...all other calm heads would say anything but in public.

Its the british way...God save the queen.

What do you think I want them to say? Because without seeing your reply, I can almost guarantee I don't.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What do you think I want them to say? Because without seeing your reply, I can almost guarantee I don't.

I think you want them to say whatever they ain't saying right now.

[Denver]

Ukrainian Military have said they will no longer capture Russian Artillery men and will instead kill them after Ukrainian Civilians were purposely targeted and murdered

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