[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Banging kitchen cupboards yes he has an anger issue, he knows this. I think he would rather do that and harm himself than lay a finger on her. And he tried to grab her phone because he knew she was filming him, he's not exactly alone there !?.. how many of us would want to be filmed at our worst / whilst having a breakdown. She got pleasure from it .


Amazing how she has that silly kitchen clip, and loads of audio which reveals no physical abuse . And no evidence that he assaulted her with a bottle . That is the most hideous grim things to lie about! .

She claims he shoved a bottle in her privates repeatedly. If that really happened ,then she'd need medical attention whether she accepted the help or not.

She'd be scarred not only mentally but physically,and would need surgery. She'd be bleeding and in utter agony.
Yet there's no medical reports and no witnesses. Something that horrific would have put her out of action, there's no way she'd be walking around like nothing happened.

Really hope they call Whitney ex friend to testify.
She knows Whitney is lying and is prepared to say that under oath.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you aware that this is a form of domestic/emotional abuse? (As in, officially, not just "in my opinion")

I also agree with Parmy that there's been absolutely no indication, in any of the trial evidence, or during the trial itself, that he's "afraid of Amber Heard". Yes I think he got sick of their by-all-accounts bat**** crazy relationship and was the one to walk away but I think that's because he got old and tired (of the violence, of the binges, etc.)... not because he was afraid. Even in the audio he sounds tired - not scared.

He hasn't hit her. That's good enough for me.
She has admitted to hitting Johnny on tape
But for away with it, because she's a woman.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Really hope they call Whitney ex friend to testify.
She knows Whitney is lying and is prepared to say that under oath.

Imagine lying about such a horrific rape though involving a glass bottle, Utterly shocking and vile .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Imagine lying about such a horrific rape though involving a glass bottle, Utterly shocking and vile .

She also knows that Amber beat Whitney up.
Whitney lied under oath to protect Amber.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Imagine lying about such a horrific rape though involving a glass bottle, Utterly shocking and vile .

Kinga didnt even break sweat.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Kinga didnt even break sweat.

That's right make jokes , if someone ' forced a bottle repeatedly inside you' .You would NOT be walking around like nothing happened. You'd be in excruciating pain bleeding and mutilated ,and would need rushing to the hospital . They'd be medical reports & evidence.

Loads of people have ended up in A & E due to silly embarrassing sex acts , so I'm pretty sure if someone abused you against your will with a GLASS BOTTLE that you'd need instant medical care.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That's right make jokes , if someone ' forced a bottle repeatedly inside you' .You would NOT be walking around like nothing happened. You'd be in excruciating pain bleeding and mutilated ,and would need rushing to the hospital . They'd be medical reports & evidence.

Loads of people have ended up in A & E due to silly embarrassing sex acts , so I'm pretty sure if someone abused you against your will with a GLASS BOTTLE that you'd need instant medical care.

It's a statement of fact, not a joke.

[user104658]

Whilst it is obviously brutal and horrific... she said "a bottle" not "a broken bottle" so multilated/a medical emergency is not necessarily the case. Many people who are sexually assaulted sadly don't attend medical services, and the vast majority of those who are sexually assaulted by their spouse or partner don't seek any sort of medical attention.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Whilst it is obviously brutal and horrific... she said "a bottle" not "a broken bottle" so multilated/a medical emergency is not necessarily the case. Many people who are sexually assaulted sadly don't attend medical services, and the vast majority of those who are sexually assaulted by their spouse or partner don't seek any sort of medical attention.

What relevance is a "broken" bottle to just a bottle ,both will do horrible damage. Even if she didn't report it . She would not be able to pretend she's ok after something like that .

She said he repeatedly inserted it into her ,to the point where she thought it was his "fist". Even if she didn't get medical help right away the injuries & pain would still be there ,and she would not carry on as normal.

And eventually they'd be evidence of this brutal attack as it would leave serious injuries probably permanent ,even her gynaecologist would see she'd been abused,or does she not have check ups ?!? come on. And they'd be medical reports . She would need surgery probably.

Whereas Depp got his finger tip cut off ,in a nasty way and there's witnesses and evidence of the injury .He even tried to cover for her by telling people it was an accident,he even joked with kids and said he got "hungry" when he was dressed up as jack sparrow. All the signs were there that he was being abused.

[user104658]

My wife works with victims of sexual violence professionally Goldheart. You’re simply incorrect that there would definitely be permanent injuries/medical attention needed.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My wife works with victims of sexual violence professionally Goldheart. You’re simply incorrect that there would definitely be permanent injuries/medical attention needed.

There would be with a broken bottle.

[Liam-]

Sorry, but claiming an attack as vicious as she described wouldn’t require medical attention is actually laughable

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My wife works with victims of sexual violence professionally Goldheart. You’re simply incorrect that there would definitely be permanent injuries/medical attention needed.

Are you being serious!??? . There's people who CAN'T have children because they've been abused so badly. Due to severe injuries ,and you don't think they'd be medical attention needed from a GLASS BOTTLE being shoved into someone's private frontal area !?? ,I'm lost for words .

What about when she has a smear test ,you don't think the doctor or nurse would notice bruises or scarring !??.

[Vanessa]

I get the feeling that SHE is the abuser, not Depp.
The abuser always tries to blame the victim.
Funny how Amber has accused everyone she dated of abuse.
She told her mum her ex wife and Elon Musk also abused her.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There would be with a broken bottle.

Yeah something that 'violent' would likely BREAK the bottle causing further injuries. Or even if it didn't break the bottle , it would still cause alot of physical & mental damage to the person.

[bots]

it doesnt matter how many lies Herd tells, when it all boils down to it, if even one thing she says is true, Depp has lost the case

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Are you being serious!??? . There's people who CAN'T have children because they've been abused so badly. Due to severe injuries ,and you don't think they'd be medical attention needed from a GLASS BOTTLE being shoved into someone's private frontal area !?? ,I'm lost for words .

What about when she has a smear test ,you don't think the doctor or nurse would notice bruises or scarring !??.

I didn't say "it definitely wouldn't cause serious injury", I said "it wouldn't definitely cause serious injury".

If you don't understand the difference, I can't really help you.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't say "it definitely wouldn't cause serious injury", I said "it wouldn't definitely cause serious injury".

If you don't understand the difference, I can't really help you.

But there DEFINITELY WOULD be physical injuries,if this story was factual and not a fantasy concocted in Heard's head . She's been taking tips from the movie ' Gone Girl ' by looks of it .

[user104658]

Earlier this week, it was revealed that Amber Heard was arrested in 2009 after she and her then-girlfriend, Tasya van Ree, got into an argument at an airport.

The 30-year-old actress was taken into custody and booked for misdemeanor domestic violence after she allegedly struck Ree at the Seattle-Tacoma International airport.

And while the two split years ago, Ree is speaking out in support of her ex-girlfriend.

"In 2009, Amber was wrongfully accused for an incident that was misinterpreted and over-sensationalized by two individuals in a powerful position," her statement, which was obtained by E! News, began.

"I recount hints of misogynistic attitudes toward us which later appeared to be homophobic when they found out we were domestic partners and not just ‘friends.' Charges were quickly dropped and she was released moments later."

Ree continued, "It's disheartening that Amber's integrity and story are being questioned yet again. Amber is a brilliant, honest and beautiful woman and I have the utmost respect for her. We shared 5 wonderful years together and remain close to this day."

https://www.eonline.com/news/771257/...se-allegations

Article from 2016.

Doesn't follow the zeitgeist narrative so people may not have seen these comments.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There would be with a broken bottle.

Originally Posted by Liam-

Sorry, but claiming an attack as vicious as she described wouldn’t require medical attention is actually laughable

Only if you believe the apparently spreading false narrative that she said it was a broken bottle, or an entire bottle, which she did not, and nothing she said suggests that it was necessarily more than the bottle neck, which would have been painful and extremely violating but would not necessarily have caused lasting injury or injury that required medical attention.

But you guys by all means carry on refusing to believe a woman’s account of sexual assault “because she wasn’t injured enough for it to be true”. Jesus ****ing christ. Just gross in all honesty. The exact same misogynist bull**** that has rape conviction rates pathetically low. “you can’t have been raped love, you’re not hurt enough!”

[Vanessa]

She's told way too many lies.
Adding things that weren't in the original statement.
Her latest stunt : trying to pass a picture of her with chapped lips as her being punched.
And it was proved to be a lie.
Nah, she's a fraud.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's told way too many lies.
Adding things that weren't in the original statement.
Her latest stunt : trying to pass a picture of her with chapped lips as her being punched.
And it was proved to be a lie.
Nah, she's a fraud.

According to Depp’s legal team. It has not been “proved” to be anything. Did you see this on social media? Because if you want lies, that’s where to find them.

[Liam-]

I don’t think she’s telling the truth no, it’s got nothing to do with misogyny though, despite how hard you’re trying to paint anyone that doesn’t believe her as that, heaven forbid people make up their own opinions based on evidence provided rather than the gender of the accuser, you really need to work on your issue with people disagreeing with you, it’s weird

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

According to Depp’s legal team. It has not been “proved” to be anything. Did you see this on social media? Because if you want lies, that’s where to find them.

The picture is out there. I've seen it and it's just her with a chapped lip. No swelling.
Heard is known for picking her lip, she's been doing it in court as well.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t think she’s telling the truth no, it’s got nothing to do with misogyny though, despite how hard you’re trying to paint anyone that doesn’t believe her as that, heaven forbid people make up their own opinions based on evidence provided rather than the gender of the accuser, you really need to work on your issue with people disagreeing with you, it’s weird

It has everything to do with misogyny, and people are basing their opinions (quite blatantly) on social media gossip and fake news, not “evidence” of any kind. No “evidence” of anything has been offered in this thread whatsoever.

I have no issue with people disagreeing with me but if you’re looking for an “each to their own” chat experience where no one is challenged when they say questionable things - such as suggesting women shouldn’t be believed unless they can show evidence of severe injury (this simply is flat misogyny, in my opinion, of course) - then I’d suggest a debate section is not your cup of tea? You’re entitled to your opinion… you’re not entitled to your opinion not being challenged.