[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Also, wear it to protect others should be seen as a red flag, because that conveniently means you have no possible method of verifying if it works or not

Fair point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Britain’s second lockdown was based on ‘very wrong’ Covid data, Boris Johnson
feared

Boris Johnson was worried that he had “blinked too soon” in plunging Britain
into a second national lockdown on the basis of data that scientists had
warned him was “very wrong”.

The then prime minister made the observation on Nov 1, 2020 – a day after
he had announced a lockdown to come into force on Nov 4. Despite his fears,
the lockdown went ahead and lasted for a month.

In another exchange, he appeared to express a desire to lift the country out
of lockdown earlier than planned, but said his media advisers – Lee Cain and
James Slack – warned him that such a move was “too far ahead of public
opinion”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-data-hancock/

top comment: What an absolute car crash. People with an anti lockdown view
at the time were called murderers, now we discover the then PM shared that
view. I’m so glad all this is coming out - the anti lockdown argument is now
being proved to be completely credible. None of it was based on science, and
the modelling was clearly wrong. And what people are forgetting is, we’ll be
paying the price, financially, economically, and mentally, for the next hundred
years, by which time there’ll be another pandemic, because that’s how they
tend to work !

[bots]

After congratulating the then education secretary Sir Gavin Williamson on delaying A-level exams for a few weeks - a shorter period than some teaching unions called for - Mr Hancock had some choice words.

On 1 October 2020, Mr Hancock messaged Sir Gavin: "Cracking announcement today. What a bunch of absolute arses the teaching unions are."

Sir Gavin replied: "I know they really really do just hate work."

In response, Mr Hancock returned two laughing out loud and a bullseye emoji

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Mr Hancock texted his old boss George Osborne, ex-chancellor and then-Evening Standard editor, on 28 April 2020 to "call in a favour" asking for a favourable front page, as he tried to reach his own deadline to reach 100,000 daily Covid tests.

Mr Osborne replied: "Yes - of course - all you need to do tomorrow is give some exclusive words to the Standard and I'll tell the team to splash it."

After replying with a quote, Hancock later writes in capital letters: "I WANT TO HIT MY TARGET!"

The editor answered bluntly: "I gathered."

In another interaction, on 9 November 2020 Mr Hancock asked for an explanation about Mr Osborne calling for Boris Johnson to make testing his number one priority and insisted: "OK but mass testing is going very well."

"No-one thinks testing is going well, Matt," Mr Osborne replied.


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Sir Gavin, messaging Mr Hancock, on 10 May 2020 ahead of schools reopening, asked for the health secretary's help in getting personal protective equipment (PPE) for schools "as a last resort so they can't use it as a reason not to open".

The education secretary texted: "All of them will [open] but some will just want to say they can't so they have an excuse to avoid having to teach, what joys!!!"

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Boris Johnson had misgivings about the government's shielding advice in discussions with the chief medical officer Prof Sir Chris Whitty. In August 2020 the then-prime minister suggested that if renewed lockdown restrictions were needed over-65s be offered a choice on shielding.

Mr Johnson, addressing Sir Chris in a WhatsApp group on 9 August, said: "If you are over 65 your risk of dying from Covid is probably as big as your risk of falling down stairs. And we don't stop older people from using stairs. What do you think?"

Sir Chris conceded that he "would think twice before shielding unless it threatened the NHS". Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance replied: "We haven't found shielding easy or very effective first time round."

Only a few days previously, shielding had ended for more than two million clinically vulnerable people in England, Scotland and Wales. Since March 2020 they had been advised to stay at home to avoid contracting Covid. Shielding later returned.

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Helen Whately, who was social care minister at the time, travelled 50 miles to a Covid test centre so a relative could be tested in September 2020, according to the Telegraph. There were restricted numbers of home testing kits and the public had to book a slot at a testing centre, where they could swab themselves and it would be sent to a laboratory.

Speaking of the experience on 19 September, she messaged Mr Hancock: "So my mystery shopping shows the system is definitely working, at least for some."

Mr Hancock enthusiastically replied "for MOST!", despite UK labs struggling to keep up with demand and people being asked to travel hundreds of miles to get tested.

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One set of messages shows Boris Johnson getting in a muddle over statistics.

He flagged a Financial Times article stating the global case fatality rate had fallen below 0.04. Mr Johnson wanted to know why the British death rate appeared to be much higher at 4%.

Chief scientific officer Sir Patrick, chief medical officer Sir Chris, aide Dominic Cummings, Cabinet Secretary Simon Case and Mr Hancock all chipped in.

When Mr Vallance eventually pointed out the FT figure is a probability, not a percentage, the PM replied "Eh" followed by another message reading simply "?".

He offers "five marks" to whoever can explain the difference and asks them to "show working" - before Mr Cummings assures him it is a "common confusion".

In the same exchange, Mr Johnson says he "knows what I would prefer" if he was 80 and given a choice between exposure to Covid-19 and "destroying the economy".

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[The latest from Matt Hancock's leaked
WhatsApp messages - Mr Hancock's battle with
Rishi Sunak over COVID rules is
Saturday's instalment.]

[Cherie]

Some of these messages are insane ...

[Zizu]

I haven’t been following this closely at all because.. I don’t care … BUT if Hancock has given access to his personal WhatsApp to a journalist ( or anyone) then he’s not fit to hold ANY position of responsibility


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[bots]

what the messages show is that those mp's are not fit to be in government, it's really that simple

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I haven’t been following this closely at all because.. I don’t care … BUT if Hancock has given access to his personal WhatsApp to a journalist ( or anyone) then he’s not fit to hold ANY position of responsibility

But when he gave that Lady
his WhatsApp load,
it was for his book
Which is now Bollocks

As now
all the Telegraph Papers
are giving the Real Time Data Free
if you buy the paper.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what the messages show is that those mp's are not fit to be in government, it's really that simple

They say at the time,
they were under pressure

As China's Covid was Killing millions
around the world



Of Course,
arresting a couple Ladies
on a Country Walk
was wrong
As they were in open country
not mixing on a tube train.

[arista]

[arista]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

[arista]

Yes Matt
she can help you with your
pathetic book.

And NO
NDA
on those luscious WhatsApp messages


Life In The Fast Lane

[Cherie]

Sucker for a pretty face I am afraid

[bots]

the problem with Hancock is that he believes his own BS

[arista]

[Zizu]

Yikes .. this isn’t gonna end well ..

Matt Hancock suggested to an aide that they "frighten the pants off everyone" and in another exchange, the Head of the Civil Service, Simon Case, suggested the "fear/guilt factor" was vital to the government's messaging.

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Matt Hancock:
Leaked messages suggest plan to frighten public

In an exchange between Mr Hancock and an aide from 13th December 2020 - five days before the government scrapped plans to relax rules for many over Christmas - the former health secretary discusses when to "deploy" the announcement of the new variant.

They are talking about the possibility of the London Mayor Sadiq Khan resisting a possible lockdown for London.


The Department of Health advisor suggests: "Rather than doing too much forward signalling, we can roll pitch with the new strain."


Mr Hancock says: "We frighten the pants of everyone with the new strain."

The advisor responds: "Yep, that's what will get proper behaviour change."

The minister then asks: "When do we deploy the new variant."

Mr Hancock announced the new variant the following day.


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Sucker for a pretty face I am afraid

Sadly I think that’s just a bloke thing ( our kryptonite ?)


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Wrong

She confirmed on a Long Debate on BBC
with Chris Mason.


She Confirmed no NDA was signed


Another 11 or 12 Front pages to go...........................


She also stated the Official Public Covid Enquiry has NO Deadline

No NDA ??

Quote :::


Ms Oakeshott obtained them while helping Mr Hancock write his book, Pandemic Diaries. She has said she broke a legal agreement by releasing the messages because this is "in the public interest"


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[bots]

if the tories were likely to lose the next election, well, they are totally ****ed now

We knew some of the stuff the medical experts were coming out with at those briefings with their modelling was scaremongering nonsense, but this is beyond the pale

[Cherie]

This is horrific...I think someone might actually try and kill Hancock, there are alot of very angry people who had loved ones die alone and in fear

[Crimson Dynamo]

While Matt Hancock breezily discussed how to “frighten the pants off everyone” with a new strain, a boy called Mark was listening to the drumbeat towards another national lockdown grow louder in deepening despair.

It was December 2020, and the 15-year-old’s life had already been turned upside down by the pandemic.

A few months earlier, his mother Anna Marie had decided that they should move house because they couldn’t even go to the local park during the first lockdown.

She describes how over-zealous council officials had shut the playground, leaving her struggling to cope with Mark’s little brother, a hyperactive five-year-old.

On her impoverished estate in Bootle, they were no longer even emptying the bins.

Now, the family was in a better place in the North East, but Anna Marie had been unable to get Mark into a new school.

With “home schooling” now an easy default, education authorities shrugged that he could just study for his GCSEs online.

Unable to play football during the first lockdown, he started putting on weight. When other children returned to school that autumn, he became increasingly isolated – and frightened.

As Mr Hancock and his acolytes plotted to use a new strain of coronavirus to terrify the population, that fear descended into paranoia. Mark became so scared of the virus that he would not even open his bedroom window.

“His nails were bitten to the bone. He was literally frightened of the air. He wore a mask everywhere,” his mother says.

In London, Mr Hancock’s spin doctors were feverishly WhatsApp-ing each other about how best to “roll the pitch” for more Covid restrictions.

In the North East, Anna Marie was trying to stop Mark listening to more frightening news bulletins.

“We tried to keep the TV off, but we were being bombarded,” she says, of the prophecies of doom relentlessly pumped out by an acquiescing media.

“Mark knew we were going into another lockdown. The fear was the thing that affected him most. He was disconnected; distant. I didn’t know what to do.”

Anna Marie, a single mother used to a hard life, did what so many others in desperate circumstances did at that time – she kept going. Sadly, Mark could not.

Almost exactly a year later, when most of the population had been vaccinated against Covid but the Omicron variant prompted yet another fear campaign, he told his mother he was popping out to the shops – and never returned.

His body was found by dog walkers three days later, hanging from a tree.

Though he had never talked of taking his own life, his family had been prepared for the worst, after discovering that he had searched the internet for how to tie a noose.

Those responsible for “Project Fear” had no idea about the lives of people like Anna Marie and her children.

Mr Hancock and his advisers did not even try to imagine how the tactics they were gleefully discussing to achieve “proper behaviour change” would affect the most vulnerable in society.

Heady on the unprecedented power they had seized to control all our lives, they were caught up in the excitement of managing the day-to-day crisis and their own sense of heroism at their leading roles in the drama.

No discussion about collateral damage
They were completely removed from the reality of lockdowns for those at the other end of the socio-economic spectrum.

Judging from the total absence of any discussion about collateral damage in their WhatsApp messages, they had zero interest in hearing about it either.


“Frightening the pants off people” had truly dreadful consequences.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...cock-whatsapp/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hand washing and wiping surfaces like supermarket trolleys did work


Masks did not

Youtube video

[bots]

I think the government is going to get really hammered over all this, and not before time

[Crimson Dynamo]

Comment re Hancock from the DT:

Just this week an autistic old lady was convicted of manslaughter and sentence to three
years in jail for scaring a cyclist, illegally riding on the pavement, and contributing to
her death.
Tell me how the behaviour of Hancock, Simon Case and the other lockdown zealots was
any different, except that it was conducted at a distance with the collusion of the BBC?