[arista]

https://twitter.com/GoldingBF/status...31787362631680


A Colleague Lady
at my work thinks,
he may be Schizophrenic
or Bi Polar.


All very possible,
he should be medicated.


Him on top of a bus
years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYliyFq97w&t=5s

[bots]

i think he probably took that option to avoid jail

[Crimson Dynamo]

stupid punk

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think he probably took that option to avoid jail

It's not something you can choose or optional, and frankly it's significantly worse than jail. It can be an indefinite hold and you don't even have to have committed a crime... and you'll be in a locked ward with potentially violent and unpredictable individuals.

If he did indeed "choose" it and somehow tricked them into sectioning him ... he made a grave error.

[Oliver_W]

I hope it was for genuine reasons and not punitive.

Like sure, he's caused trouble and crossed lines etc, and I wouldn't be surprised if he knows exactly where the line is so he could avoid jail time, through ambiguity of statements etc.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if The Authorities(tm) are sick of his antics and were waiting for an excuse.

[Cherie]

At least he is off the streets

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

https://twitter.com/GoldingBF/status...31787362631680


A Colleague Lady
at my work thinks,
he may be Schizophrenic
or Bi Polar.


All very possible,
he should be medicated.


Him on top of a bus
years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYliyFq97w&t=5s

Hes actually quite likeable in that video.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I hope it was for genuine reasons and not punitive.

Like sure, he's caused trouble and crossed lines etc, and I wouldn't be surprised if he knows exactly where the line is so he could avoid jail time, through ambiguity of statements etc.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if The Authorities(tm) are sick of his antics and were waiting for an excuse.

Sectioning is a medical decision not a police/authorities decision ... although of course, I'm not saying there aren't doctors out there who would section someone with a greased palm.

Would they do it for someone as low rent as Mizzy, though? Hmmmmmm...

On balance I'd say the most likely explanation is that he's not fully in control of himself at all times and they genuinely think he's likely to have something bad happen. The reasoning will probably be that he's a risk to his own safety IMO, rather than others.

[bots]

the guy obviously isn't the full shilling, because he has repeatedly done questionable stuff. I have no idea what the threshold is for someone to be hospitalised though

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I have no idea what the threshold is for someone to be hospitalised though

There isn't really a set or defined threshold, anyone can "suggest" a section, the decision is made by two doctors + a mental health professional... but there's no criteria, they just assess and make the decision. That's what makes it so scary IMO, it's not like being arrested, you don't have to have done anything etc. for it to be legal.

Section 2 is 28 day hold, Section 3 is indefinite .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the guy obviously isn't the full shilling, because he has repeatedly done questionable stuff. I have no idea what the threshold is for someone to be hospitalised though

You have to be howling at the moon, homicidal or clearly manic these days to get sectioned these days.

[Alf]

Waiting for him to turn up in Big Brother.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Sectioning is a medical decision not a police/authorities decision ... although of course, I'm not saying there aren't doctors out there who would section someone with a greased palm.

Would they do it for someone as low rent as Mizzy, though? Hmmmmmm...

On balance I'd say the most likely explanation is that he's not fully in control of himself at all times and they genuinely think he's likely to have something bad happen. The reasoning will probably be that he's a risk to his own safety IMO, rather than others.

He was on top of a moving bus, I think thats grounds enough not only for his own safety but of the driver and passengers

[Redway]

Originally Posted by arista

https://twitter.com/GoldingBF/status...31787362631680


A Colleague Lady
at my work thinks,
he may be Schizophrenic
or Bi Polar.


All very possible,
he should be medicated.


Him on top of a bus
years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYliyFq97w&t=5s

If he was on top of a moving bus then it’s more likely to be bipolar mania than schizophrenia, arista. Manic episodes are way more dangerous from that point of view.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

You have to be howling at the moon, homicidal or clearly manic these days to get sectioned these days.

Only because of lack of beds so (as with so many things) it's a "postcode lottery". Some places have more capacity (and lower need) than others.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

If he was on top of a moving bus then it’s more likely to be bipolar mania than schizophrenia, arista. Manic episodes are way more dangerous from that point of view.

Schizophrenia is widely misunderstood I find, possibly thanks to liberal use of the term in 80's/90's entertainment media ... to describe people who didn't fit the actual presentation of schizophrenia at all. Similar to people using the words "diagnosed psychopath" in the UK, when there is no such diagnosis.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Schizophrenia is widely misunderstood I find, possibly thanks to liberal use of the term in 80's/90's entertainment media ... to describe people who didn't fit the actual presentation of schizophrenia at all. Similar to people using the words "diagnosed psychopath" in the UK, when there is no such diagnosis.

There’s an irritating over-exaggeration of the severity of schizophrenia and trivialisation of depression and bipolar disorder that’s definitely gotten worse in some circles over the last 30 years especially. It all started when they give it that silly, cuddly name bipolar. You wouldn’t get moody wannabe-celebrities claiming to have manic-depressive psychosis. To a lot of people schizophrenia is just a general word for insane (starting with hearing voices) and bipolar just means someone has intense mood swings and anger management problems, as if there isn’t more to it than that. When someone says “my boy George/auntie Mabel is schizophrenic” 8 times out of 10 I presume they mean more schizoaffective or misdiagnosed bipolar disorder. Man ain’t saying schizophrenia’s a total myth but it’s like you say, a lot of people just use the word without really understanding what it means and a lot of doctors misdiagnose severe mood disorders as it, enhancing the narrative that schizophrenia’s the most fitting catch-all label for most of the most severe mental health issues. It’s not even like that.

And then there are people who over-conflate depression with anxiety (yeah, low and anxious moods go hand-in-hand but on their own they’re very different and not just the one thing/disorder at that) and almost see it as the common cold of psychological problems. Anyone can roll up to their GP complaining about feeling a bit crap and lacking in energy and get put on a course or citalopram but severe depression is one of the worst types of illness there is. And a lot of people don’t know that. I feel like if the general public really understood how serious depression can be and how you definitely, definitely can’t just snap out of it, no-one would ever see it as a sign of weakness. The serotonin imbalance myth (it’s not that there isn’t a biological basis to it but it was never really about serotonin) doesn’t help. It just makes it sound like a much simpler, milder thing than it can be.

I guess the diagnosed psychopath thingy is just people referring to antisocial personality disorder. That’s the official name for sociopathy/psychopathy in the DSM, but then there’s a debate that personality disorders (except maybe borderline personality disorder, because it’s so distressing) aren’t really mental illnesses or things that should represent diagnoses more-so than just another way of saying someone’s going to be inherently entitled, superficial or criminal.

[Redway]

Catatonic symptoms are also more likely to be the result of severe mood disorders (bipolar disorder and severe depression) more than catatonic schizophrenia and even eminent psychiatrists in the early 1900s recognised that. All those garden-variety hebephrenics and catatonics have been decreasing since the ’80s and I doubt a florid case of it has been seen in the U.K. since 2005/2006 (definitely not after that). Paranoid schizophrenia and ‘depressive schizoaffective disorder’ are the prototype of what people think of as “schizophrenia” these days but neither of those types of people even when acutely ill (unless they’re responding on homicidal command-hallucinations, but even that’s much rarer than the media would suggest) aren’t half as dangerous as someone who’s acutely manic. Bipolar I disorder can be very, very serious and that’s what people often forget. They look at someone like Kanye West now and act like him roaming the streets of Hollywood (or wherever he is) barefoot must be something else. It’s really not. As far as mania goes that’s the tip of the iceberg.

[Redway]

People have interviewed Mizzy sense. It felt like too soon for a release anyway but after listening to him let’s just say it’s way too soon. The dude is out of his mind.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

People have interviewed Mizzy sense. It felt like too soon for a release anyway but after listening to him let’s just say it’s way too soon. The dude is out of his mind.

Assuming he is bipolar - obviously it's guesswork not an official diagnosis - but assuming ... all of the stress/pressure/anxiety of the mass exposure, news and TV appearances etc. could easily prompt an acute manic episode. He'll crash at eventually if so. Often a major risk of self-harm at that point.

[Redway]

Oh, bipolar. Such a terrible disease.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Sectioning is a medical decision not a police/authorities decision ... although of course, I'm not saying there aren't doctors out there who would section someone with a greased palm.

Would they do it for someone as low rent as Mizzy, though? Hmmmmmm...

On balance I'd say the most likely explanation is that he's not fully in control of himself at all times and they genuinely think he's likely to have something bad happen. The reasoning will probably be that he's a risk to his own safety IMO, rather than others.

It might be Column A, Half a Dozen thing. I don't trust The Authorities(tm) as far as I could throw em, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was something dodgy going on.

As with "another" subject I wouldn't say I actively think something sinister is going on behind the scenes, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Originally Posted by Cherie

At least he is off the streets

Yes, Officer Cherie.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It might be Column A, Half a Dozen thing. I don't trust The Authorities(tm) as far as I could throw em, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was something dodgy going on.

As with "another" subject I wouldn't say I actively think something sinister is going on behind the scenes, but I wouldn't be surprised.


Yes, Officer Cherie.

It would need to be a fairly vast conspiracy though, is the thing. The Police/authorities can't have people sectioned, it's a medical decision and it's made by more than one medical professional... so if it was dodgy, there would need to be multiple people in someone's pocket.

[Redway]

Who let him out of hospital so early?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Redway

Oh, bipolar. Such a terrible disease.

It didn't exist until the millennial generation.

Another made up disease.

They were just plain old nutcases in my day.