[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Two more Hostages have been released
to the Red Cross

Good news

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[Hamas frees two more Gaza hostages: Yochved Lifsh***z, 85,
and Nurit Cooper, 79, are seen for the first time
after being released by terror group after its leader
said all captives will be released if Israel meets the right conditions]



[Two woman hostages identified as
85-year-old Yochved Lifsh***z (left) and
Nurit Cooper (right), 79, have been released
from Hamas captivity in Gaza after 16 days,
with new footage showing the dramatic moment
they were handed over to the Red Cross]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onditions.html

The 85 year old Surname has a banned word in it
hence the ***




Red cross medical,
check one

[arista]

This was the First two released
Mother and Daughter
a few days back.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Speaking of propaganda...

l

Originally Posted by Liam-

How anyone can take that seriously is beyond me

you two sound like Holocaust deniers at this stage, the Israelis have released body cam footage from Hamas terrorists now due to people refusing to believe any atrocites were carried out, shameful that they have to do this, not saying bombing Gaza is any better but no one is denying that is happening

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/israel-ha...orters-sobbed/

[Liam-]

Holocaust deniers, give your head a wobble

[Liam-]

I’m sure the anti-cancel culture, free speech brigade will be outraged by this… right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

sees left-wing troll account of owen jones

stops reading

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you two sound like Holocaust deniers at this stage, the Israelis have released body cam footage from Hamas terrorists now due to people refusing to believe any atrocites were carried out, shameful that they have to do this, not saying bombing Gaza is any better but no one is denying that is happening

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/israel-ha...orters-sobbed/

Pointing out that that tweet is propaganda is in no way contingent on the truth of the claim made or on believing that Hamas have carried out other attrocities. The style, focus and intent of the tweet is clear propaganda. CLEAR propaganda. Perhaps misunderstanding that propaganda is necessarily un-truthful is what makes people more susceptible to progaganda? "This doesn't seem to be definitely factually false, therefore it isn't propaganda". Hmm.

I stand by the opinion that its (extremely unsubtle) war propaganda, of the type that is used to justify genocide. Of - in fact - the very same sort that was used in the lead up to WW2. All too familiar, which is a VERY odd situation.

Screeching "holocaust deniers!!!" is just some Godwin lark that I'm not really inclined to pay any attention to at all. It is literally the prototypical strawman.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by arista

PM Sunak sending £20 Millions to Gaza

this better be warheads and Israel is the courier?

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

unfortunatly I saw that one on facebook.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Pointing out that that tweet is propaganda is in no way contingent on the truth of the claim made or on believing that Hamas have carried out other attrocities. The style, focus and intent of the tweet is clear propaganda. CLEAR propaganda. Perhaps misunderstanding that propaganda is necessarily un-truthful is what makes people more susceptible to progaganda? "This doesn't seem to be definitely factually false, therefore it isn't propaganda". Hmm.

I stand by the opinion that its (extremely unsubtle) war propaganda, of the type that is used to justify genocide. Of - in fact - the very same sort that was used in the lead up to WW2. All too familiar, which is a VERY odd situation.

Screeching "holocaust deniers!!!" is just some Godwin lark that I'm not really inclined to pay any attention to at all. It is literally the prototypical strawman.

i would like to see if you remain calm and objective if all your family and friends have just been slaughtered. We cannot conceive how the people in Israel feel when all their nearest neighbouring countries want to wipe them out and have stated it proudly. Israel have never once said they want to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, even after all this

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i would like to see if you remain calm and objective if all your family and friends have just been slaughtered. We cannot conceive how the people in Israel feel when all their nearest neighbouring countries want to wipe them out and have stated it proudly. Israel have never once said they want to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, even after all this

You're conflating "understandable" with "beyond criticism" again BOTS. Yes it's understandable that the people directly involved in (any) conflict will have extreme emotions and an accompanying lack of objectivity, which is why it's important that those who are NOT directly involved remain objective and level-headed enough to call out those extremes, rather than piggybacking on the emotion.

I've said before (and meant it) that I'd press a button that kills the entire world to save my family. I would. I would genuinely hit the button. I wouldn't hesitate. But in the cold light of day when that's not a situation I'm in ... I can still say if there's a bystander stood next to me watching me about to push the button, I hope they would try to stop me, and not just say "Ahh I get where you're coming from, have at it".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Israel have never once said they want to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, even after all this

Just on this part... of course they've never said it . Their intent and desire has been clear for... erm... about 75 years. That's not to say they want to kill everyone there. I think they'd be just as happy if they all simply left. But they do want the land. They just ... do.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

[Hamas frees two more Gaza hostages: Yochved Lifsh***z, 85,
and Nurit Cooper, 79, are seen for the first time
after being released by terror group after its leader
said all captives will be released if Israel meets the right conditions]



[Two woman hostages identified as
85-year-old Yochved Lifsh***z (left) and
Nurit Cooper (right), 79, have been released
from Hamas captivity in Gaza after 16 days,
with new footage showing the dramatic moment
they were handed over to the Red Cross]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onditions.html

The 85 year old Surname has a banned word in it
hence the ***




Red cross medical,
check one

Her name is Yochved Lifschitz

[bots]

Macron says the same international coalition which has fought the Islamic State group since 2014 could also "fight" against Hamas.

"[Israel] is not alone... France is ready for the coalition which is fighting in Iraq and Syria against IS to also fight against Hamas," Macron says.

Macron also warns the militant group Hezbollah and Iran against opening a new front on Israel's northern border.

Further escalation in the north would "open the door to a regional conflagration from which every party would lose", he says.

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That's a pretty intense escalation

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Pointing out that that tweet is propaganda is in no way contingent on the truth of the claim made or on believing that Hamas have carried out other attrocities. The style, focus and intent of the tweet is clear propaganda. CLEAR propaganda. Perhaps misunderstanding that propaganda is necessarily un-truthful is what makes people more susceptible to progaganda? "This doesn't seem to be definitely factually false, therefore it isn't propaganda". Hmm.

I stand by the opinion that its (extremely unsubtle) war propaganda, of the type that is used to justify genocide. Of - in fact - the very same sort that was used in the lead up to WW2. All too familiar, which is a VERY odd situation.

Screeching "holocaust deniers!!!" is just some Godwin lark that I'm not really inclined to pay any attention to at all. It is literally the prototypical strawman.

I really don't know why you need to sink to this kind of baity mocking behaviour in practically every post you make, in the post immediately after yours Liam practically said it never happened, I assumed you meant the same, I typed it, it wasn't screeched which makes it should like I was hysterical.

Originally Posted by Liam- View Post
How anyone can take that seriously is beyond me

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

PM Sunak sending £20 Millions to Gaza

Money laundering set of bastards. With our money.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I really don't know why you need to sink to this kind of baity mocking behaviour in practically every post you make

You can't reasonably brand people "holocaust deniers" out of right field, on a thread about Israel/Palestine, and then accuse others of baiting, Cherie. Really .