[thesheriff443]

Police have been getting on buses and filming people on their phones while driving and prosecuting them.

What’s your opinion on this?
It’s a fair cop or under handed?

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Police have been getting on buses and filming people on their phones while driving a prosecuting them.

What’s your opinion on this?
It’s a fair cop or under handed?

No its Fair


Arrest Criminal Punks

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Police have been getting on buses and filming people on their phones while driving and prosecuting them.

What’s your opinion on this?
It’s a fair cop or under handed?

I like the idea


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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

No its Fair


Arrest Criminal Punks

It can have a massive impact on someone’s life if they lose their license cost them their job/home

It’s unfair considering serious crimes are let off with a caution or less

[bots]

they deserve to lose their licence if they are using their phones while driving

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It can have a massive impact on someone’s life if they lose their license cost them their job/home

It’s unfair considering serious crimes are let off with a caution or less

???
They are risking the lives of innocent people !!


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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Zizu

???
They are risking the lives of innocent people !!


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It’s in traffic virtually stationary

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Zizu

???
They are risking the lives of innocent people !!


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You can rape someone and get a caution

[AnnieK]

I'm not keen on Police sneaking about but if you are on your phone whilst driving, you should be prosecuted. Too many people cause accidents whilst using their phones, it is illegal for a reason. Its 6 points and a fine for being caught using your phone and if that is enough to tip you into a ban, so be it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can rape someone and get a caution

So what you are saying is, because there is other injustice in the system, why bother with justice at all

[Cherie]

I dont see the issue, is it really any different to sitting in an unmarked car with a speed gun?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So what you are saying is, because there is other injustice in the system, why bother with justice at all

No im not saying that.
People make mistakes

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I dont see the issue, is it really any different to sitting in an unmarked car with a speed gun?

Like when they set up a speed traps in a 30 mph zone and prosecute for being one mile over the limit

And yet on the fast stretch of roads that people do die on they do nothing

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No im not saying that.
People make mistakes

Yeah but they ‘choose’ to make the mistake of using a phone whilst driving …

The poor innocent victims who are killed or get life injuries have no choice !


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[thesheriff443]

Another police sting, was to approach hard workers in scrap yards on low pay pretending to be drug users and sell them cigarettes and prosecute them for not paying the vat on them.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yeah but they ‘choose’ to make the mistake of using a phone whilst driving …

The poor innocent victims who are killed or get life injuries have no choice !


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If you are on the phone while causing an accident then I don’t have problem
Being on the phone stuck in traffic is no more of a distraction as turning on the radio.

[Livia]

If you don't break the law, and we all know what the law is, then you have nothing to fear.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you don't break the law, and we all know what the law is, then you have nothing to fear.

That’s how I feel about all those security cameras that sooo many people are worried about !!


The more the merrier


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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you don't break the law, and we all know what the law is, then you have nothing to fear.

Tell that to an Irish man in the seventies

The only ones that think they are above the law is the law

They look after their own
Being in the the company of people in the police force gives you a different perspective

Criminals in uniform.

[user104658]

I do think the penalties for people on phones WHILE DRIVING are fair and I include stationary traffic at give way junctions and red lights in that - you need to be aware for safety even when stationary.

However I do think there should be a loosening of the law when sensible - e.g. in traffic jams where there's a whole line of traffic entirely stationary, or other situations where the vehicle isn't moving at all and it's clearly not a safety issue. The ability for someone to get hefty points on their license or even lose it for texting someone while stuck in deadlocked traffic is stupid and entirely unfair. Even if they kept fines in place for it... I think points should only be for when it's clearly unsafe.

I oft use the example - imagine your 10 year old kid is waiting to be picked up somewhere... a club or lesson... and you get stuck in traffic that isn't moving at all. Of course you're going to call or text them. You're not going to sit there, car not moving, saying "Oh well little Jimmy might be stood by the side of the road worrying and expecting me and get scooped up by some paedo, but I can't send him a text to go back inside and wait, cos that's ILLEGAL!". Realistically... no one is going to to that... and sending that text shouldn't cost you 6 points.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Tell that to an Irish man in the seventies

The only ones that think they are above the law is the law

They look after their own
Being in the the company of people in the police force gives you a different perspective

Criminals in uniform.

Have only had one coppa in my friendship group - he joined and lasted less than a year, as he was outcast for not joining in/not finding it amusing when a group of them were kicking the **** out of a very-under-the-influence homeless man for fun. That plus he found a heart attack victim that had been lying dead for two weeks and had melted to a radiator. So both sides of it there really. On the one hand yes a lot of them become heartless arseholes. On the other, you can see why it happens and their empathy gets destroyed over time.

He was in 10 months and a lifetime of PTSD.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I do think the penalties for people on phones WHILE DRIVING are fair and I include stationary traffic at give way junctions and red lights in that - you need to be aware for safety even when stationary.

However I do think there should be a loosening of the law when sensible - e.g. in traffic jams where there's a whole line of traffic entirely stationary, or other situations where the vehicle isn't moving at all and it's clearly not a safety issue. The ability for someone to get hefty points on their license or even lose it for texting someone while stuck in deadlocked traffic is stupid and entirely unfair. Even if they kept fines in place for it... I think points should only be for when it's clearly unsafe.

I oft use the example - imagine your 10 year old kid is waiting to be picked up somewhere... a club or lesson... and you get stuck in traffic that isn't moving at all. Of course you're going to call or text them. You're not going to sit there, car not moving, saying "Oh well little Jimmy might be stood by the side of the road worrying and expecting me and get scooped up by some paedo, but I can't send him a text to go back inside and wait, cos that's ILLEGAL!". Realistically... no one is going to to that... and sending that text shouldn't cost you 6 points.

My friend was pulled for being on her phone for a very similar reason - she was late picking up her kid. The Police Officer who pulled her asked the reason for being on her phone and she explained. He did let her off with a warning after he checked and saw that she had in fact texted her son to say she was going to be late and there was no other activity on the phone (her data was off and so she hadn't been on the web etc). I know that only works if you physically get pulled and can provide your phone as proof but some Police are understanding.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Tell that to an Irish man in the seventies

The only ones that think they are above the law is the law

They look after their own
Being in the the company of people in the police force gives you a different perspective

Criminals in uniform.

We're talking about coppers catching people committing motoring offences.

I've never had a ticket because I don't break the law. Like Zizu, I'm tired of hearing people moan about getting a speeding ticket and/or having to attend a speed awareness course. Don't speed, it won't happen.

Our police may not be perfect but hold them up against US police and they're pretty near.

[bots]

people wont be banned for 1 offence, it's not enough points, so no-one will lose their job etc unless they do it again

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're talking about coppers catching people committing motoring offences.

I've never had a ticket because I don't break the law. Like Zizu, I'm tired of hearing people moan about getting a speeding ticket and/or having to attend a speed awareness course. Don't speed, it won't happen.

Our police may not be perfect but hold them up against US police and they're pretty near.

So it’s all for them to speed set off and the camera and put their lights on because that then makes it legal as if they were on an emergency call then turn off after go thru it.

I’m pleased you haven’t had any run ins with the police but it’s always so up up holds the law that can make a mistake and get the full bollox of your a bad person