[arista]

Yes he made errors in USA

[user104658]

They had to make up rules, it takes months (or years) to effectively study the effectiveness of an intervention on an illness and they (at the time) seemed to believe that they didn't have time to do it so they were just "trying things".

My personal stance is that some of them were fair enough because - really, other than people being whingey babies about it, even if they didn't work AT ALL they weren't actually causing huge issues, e.g. basic social distancing and masks. Like srs. Even if they did nothing at all - so what? Worth a try .

Lockdowns / curfews / restrictions on travel within the country etc... is where it went too far. And "vaccine passports" (again for within the country, restrictions on international travel are a different thing).

Even if I did personally enjoy the world slowing/quietening down a bit for a few months .

It's still the doorstep clapping that bothers me most about the whole thing though. Such a clear illustration of utterly mindless drone behaviour. Creepy as fk. I remember I was once accidentally in Tesco at "clapping time" and they announced it over the speakers and everyone stopped in their tracks and started clapping. And the look on people's faces when I was pointedly not doing it.

[Beso]

The clapping wasnt just for the NHS, it was also a coping mechanism for some people that helped them get through it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The clapping wasnt just for the NHS, it was also a coping mechanism for some people that helped them get through it

It was ostensibly for the NHS and it was frustrating and offensive to the actual NHS workers who were well aware that they'd be blamed/forgotten/still under-paid once it was all over.

Which is exactly what happened.

So I (still) don't really care if whacking a frying pan with an old wooden spoon was seen as an appropriate coping mechanism by Billy and Betty.

[Beso]

Well I have love and respect for my fellow man, so I'm happy to say that cared about other people getting thought it all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well I have love and respect for my fellow man, so I'm happy to say that cared about other people getting thought it all.

You cared about some of them, at the expense of others. We all have our biases I suppose.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The clapping wasnt just for the NHS, it was also a coping mechanism for some people that helped them get through it

Yes I would agree !!

We live in a lovely quiet cul-de-sac and each Thursday it was the elderly neighbours who were out first and also the noisiest .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Was masking kids ( or anyone ) that bad an idea ?


Same with the six foot rule ?

I honestly felt that I was gonna die .. we saw endless footage of all those people dying in Italy ( I think ) and poorly people in corridors and car parks ..

The guidelines actually helped me through things



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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes I would agree !!

We live in a lovely quiet cul-de-sac and each Thursday it was the elderly neighbours who were out first and also the noisiest .


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Hmm. While they were doing so, my wife was delivering methadone (on her own) to junkies in darkened high-rise flats in areas you can barely imagine, because the rules meant they weren't allowed to pick up their prescriptions in person, while I was sat at home worried about her being attacked because it was completely against all protocol and completely unsafe.

But I'm happy for your wee elderly neighbours. On their lovely quiet cul-de-sac. Their loud pot banging probably helped a lot.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Was masking kids ( or anyone ) that bad an idea ?


Same with the six foot rule ?

It wasn't a "bad" idea, there was no harm in it, it just turned out that it probably didn't really do anything at all. It was thought that Covid was spread by droplets/touch so distancing and face coverings would help, but it wasn't, it was airborne so they didn't really do anything at all. N95 respirator masks would help a bit. Cloth masks/disposable surgical masks, realistically, did nothing at all.

But again there's no harm in it and they were going on the evidence that was available at the time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

They had to make up rules, it takes months (or years) to effectively study the effectiveness of an intervention on an illness and they (at the time) seemed to believe that they didn't have time to do it so they were just "trying things".

My personal stance is that some of them were fair enough because - really, other than people being whingey babies about it, even if they didn't work AT ALL they weren't actually causing huge issues, e.g. basic social distancing and masks. Like srs. Even if they did nothing at all - so what? Worth a try .

Lockdowns / curfews / restrictions on travel within the country etc... is where it went too far. And "vaccine passports" (again for within the country, restrictions on international travel are a different thing).

Even if I did personally enjoy the world slowing/quietening down a bit for a few months .

It's still the doorstep clapping that bothers me most about the whole thing though. Such a clear illustration of utterly mindless drone behaviour. Creepy as fk. I remember I was once accidentally in Tesco at "clapping time" and they announced it over the speakers and everyone stopped in their tracks and started clapping. And the look on people's faces when I was pointedly not doing it.

Yes Photo from a Great Film

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes I would agree !!

We live in a lovely quiet cul-de-sac and each Thursday it was the elderly neighbours who were out first and also the noisiest .


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Yes, the noise gave me a feeling that you wernt alone.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

You cared about some of them, at the expense of others. We all have our biases I suppose.

What on earth does that mean?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What on earth does that mean?

I literally just explained that the tub-banging - supposedly for the NHS - which multiple people on this thread including yourself are freely admitting was not for the NHS at all but for "not feeling alone", was demotivating, depressing and harmful to members of NHS staff who knew it was all performative nonsense and not actually for them at all.

But you don't care about how they felt. You only care about how it helped the people who were doing it.

That's what it means.

You care about some of the people and how it affected them. You do not care about those who found it to be a negative.

If they'd been honest and called it "clap for solidarity" that would be fine, but they did not. They called it "clap for the NHS". And then as soon as Covid was over (actually, before it was over) people switched firmly to "screw the NHS".

Absolute joke. But so long as some old Tories in their comfy cul-de-sac didn't "have to feel alone". Jesus wept.

[Beso]

I said it wasnt just for the NHS....And anyway, nurses and that should be happy that it helped people with their mental anxiety during those dark days.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I said it wasnt just for the NHS....And anyway, nurses and that should be happy that it helped people with their mental anxiety during those dark days.

Yes because the expectation of NHS staff is that they're martyrs/saints and should be endlessly happy so long as everyone else is happy. It wasn't for the NHS at all. It was for scared/lonely people on their doorsteps.

Like I said Parmy - you care about who you care about, you don't give a stuff about the people who found the clapping condescending and harmful. Everything you say confirms that, and that's fine, but get off the moral high ground when people are criticising it.

It was selfishness masquerading as gratitude and that stinks.

[Beso]

It was clapping ffs get over yourself

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It was clapping ffs get over yourself

Seems like it was important a moment ago . A "coping mechanism" that people needed, you said. Was it just frivolous nonsense after all then? I'm glad we see eye to eye!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Hmm. While they were doing so, my wife was delivering methadone (on her own) to junkies in darkened high-rise flats in areas you can barely imagine, because the rules meant they weren't allowed to pick up their prescriptions in person, while I was sat at home worried about her being attacked because it was completely against all protocol and completely unsafe.

But I'm happy for your wee elderly neighbours. On their lovely quiet cul-de-sac. Their loud pot banging probably helped a lot.

It helped all the neighbours as it raised our spirits


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[Beso]

I cant be doing with negativity today so I'm afraid I will leave you to get your knickers in a twist over the reasons for clapping, with someone else

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It helped all the neighbours as it raised our spirits


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Like I said - then it should have been called "clap to raise everyone's spirits" or "clap for solidarity".

Not "clap for the NHS"

Because it wasn't for the NHS. That's clearer than ever.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I cant be doing with negativity today so I'm afraid I will leave you to get your knickers in a twist over the reasons for clapping, with someone else

Carry on in comfortable ignorance Parmy, that's the theme of the day it appears. Maybe you can rally some of the neighbours and have a wee clap.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Carry on in comfortable ignorance Parmy, that's the theme of the day it appears. Maybe you can rally some of the neighbours and have a wee clap.

What would you like us to call this clapping?

Because it has to have a name..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What would you like us to call this clapping?

Because it has to have a name..

Clap Loud With The Neebs to Drown Out The Scary Thoughts.

Twice daily, 8am and 8pm. 8am just hands, 8pm tubs and pots optional.

[Beso]

Oh you're so mentally tough TS. Well done you.