[Dogeatdog]

Marcello was being a dick about the chicken. He blatantly would’ve been clocked by BB.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well obviously it's for me there was nothing to like
I only post MY views on here, no one else's.
Who else's view did I say it was.????

Crying out loud.

You seem to be purposely misunderstanding the point I made. I didn’t suggest you were stating anyone else’s views, and I credit you with being well aware of that. I said that you’d stated your opinion as fact.

Why the sarcasm and aggression in your response? I feel your attitude here suggests you are looking to turn a minor comment into some major point of contention, but I’m just not here for that.

[Abra]

The fact that Ali heard all of those comments made by Hanah and still found a way to make it into Khaled's fault Her obsession with him is wild

[Redway]

Not B.B. ratting them all out like that.

At least Hannah says the tings with her chest and to the face.

[Mrluvaluva]

Ali is just **** stirring again imo. She's telling all and sundry, who will listen to her, Dean was more forthright in decision forming and yet she's saying basically she's being demonised for it, yet, she hasn't spoken with Dean about it from what I saw. And Dean doesn't really have a backbone if that is the case. It's like "woe is me", let me go and slag Dean off and I've come to the conclusion that it's intentional and part of her gameplay.

[Redway]

Big Brother see everything, Marcello. They would’ve called you out on the chicken with or without other HMs pointing it out.

How daft is this guy?

[Redway]

Seriously, why’s Marcello trying to hide the chicken ting, as if B.B. doesn’t have cameras everywhere?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Redway

Seriously, why’s Marcello trying to hide the chicken ting, as if B.B. doesn’t have cameras everywhere?

Because like others have said in the past they forget the camera are there

Plus being hungry makes people angry and interferes with brain function

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Swan

Now Ali is after Dean. She really is a professional victim

She was 100% correct though, nothing she said about Dean was mean, it was just what what happened.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

I acknowledge that they are rounding on her, but it is Ali's actions which have helped lead to this. And she is now starting to turn on Dean too.

Is it? She's had a few disagreements with Khaled and Marcello. That is literally all that's happened. She actually seems to be on solid ground with Marcello most of the time despite head bashing now and again.

How does that warrant three people rounding in on her? And also, why is Hanah bothered they used her to protect Lily, when they saved them both later anyway?

It's so interesting because whenever Ali mentions anyone negatively, it's constantly framed by people on here are "targeting" and "turning on". How can one person target 5 different people? She's making observations on situations, whether her observations are right or wrong doesn't matter, but they all are mentioning people all the time... is Nathan "targeting" Martha? Is he "turning on" Ali?

Makes me laugh that Ali is accused of targeting Sarah... BP... Dean...by saying something negative to one other person, or in the Diary Room, but Segun, Hanah and Khaled all agreeing to nominate Ali next week isn't "targeting"

[BBXX]

I think that scene in with Segun and Khaled in the hot tub was uncomfortable, and the smirk that Khaled in particular gave is exactly the kind of thing Ali was talking about. He looks incredible smug.

[Oliver_W]

I like the way Aziz pronounces Ali's name was if she's a Pakistani man.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is it? She's had a few disagreements with Khaled and Marcello. That is literally all that's happened. She actually seems to be on solid ground with Marcello most of the time despite head bashing now and again.

How does that warrant three people rounding in on her? And also, why is Hanah bothered they used her to protect Lily, when they saved them both later anyway?

It's so interesting because whenever Ali mentions anyone negatively, it's constantly framed by people on here are "targeting" and "turning on". How can one person target 5 different people? She's making observations on situations, whether her observations are right or wrong doesn't matter, but they all are mentioning people all the time... is Nathan "targeting" Martha? Is he "turning on" Ali?

Makes me laugh that Ali is accused of targeting Sarah... BP... Dean...by saying something negative to one other person, or in the Diary Room, but Segun, Hanah and Khaled all agreeing to nominate Ali next week isn't "targeting"

Yes. To me Ali had been targeting Khaled and making his life uncomfortable in there being she thought he wasn't genuine. She's also dealt with it far differently to the likes of Sarah and Rosie, where she's aired the view in the Diary Room but not the house. Everyone where she stands with him and, the moment someone has a disagreement with him, it suddenly comes out of nowhere that Ali may be right - see Martha, Izaaz, Thomas.

Additionally it looks worse because we saw the three of them vent but, in terms of building a target, it was little worse than Ali and Dean's sessions on the live feed which didn't make the highlights. It is working both ways in there. It isn't as if the three are suddenly disliking Ali for no reason. Particularly Khaled.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Garfie

You seem to be purposely misunderstanding the point I made. I didn’t suggest you were stating anyone else’s views, and I credit you with being well aware of that. I said that you’d stated your opinion as fact.

Why the sarcasm and aggression in your response? I feel your attitude here suggests you are looking to turn a minor comment into some major point of contention, but I’m just not here for that.

There were plenty others saying negatives but you just jumped on my post for whatever reason

That's fine.
However I'm not here for that either!!!

There was NO sarcasm,no attitude from me at all.
Just making a point.

I didn't respond to anything you posted, it was you who nitpicked at my own contribution.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Redway

Big Brother see everything, Marcello. They would’ve called you out on the chicken with or without other HMs pointing it out.

How daft is this guy?

He seems unbelievably so.

Although it was really daft to think they wouldn't or couldn't see him with the fork and the chicken then walking round in the kitchen grabbing a piece of it to eat.

Spot on from you.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

Yes. To me Ali had been targeting Khaled and making his life uncomfortable in there being she thought he wasn't genuine. She's also dealt with it far differently to the likes of Sarah and Rosie, where she's aired the view in the Diary Room but not the house. Everyone where she stands with him and, the moment someone has a disagreement with him, it suddenly comes out of nowhere that Ali may be right - see Martha, Izaaz, Thomas.

Additionally it looks worse because we saw the three of them vent but, in terms of building a target, it was little worse than Ali and Dean's sessions on the live feed which didn't make the highlights. It is working both ways in there. It isn't as if the three are suddenly disliking Ali for no reason. Particularly Khaled.

I agree that Ali hasn't handled the Khaled situation correctly, but I do think there is a bit of a difference between Dean and Ali, or Lily and Ali, or Martha and Ali discussing a HM and Segun, Hanah and Khaled plotting to all nominate her.

Segun, Hanah and Khaled should be allowed to talk freely about their thoughts on Ali (aside from calling her a witch and discussing nominations) without it being labelled bullying or ganging up, why is the same not afforded to Ali? It's always 'targeting' and 'turning on' but when others do similar, or worse, it's fine.

Ali has an issue with Khaled. I don't agree with her issue per se (though he spent most of yesterday looking smug). That's not targeting, that's someone not liking someone else, which happens in life. The reason it's been different is because she voiced her opinion to someone who shared it with Khaled, which led to Ali and Khaled talking, and things went from there. Because Khaled knows how Ali feels, every time there is a head-but, it feeds into their conversation, as it's bound to.

People talk about people infantilising Lily but many viewers do the same with Khaled. He's a grown man having a disagreement with a grown woman.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

“I just put the chicken in the oven”

Yes he needs to be Punished Hard
as he even eats bits of it.................................

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I agree that Ali hasn't handled the Khaled situation correctly, but I do think there is a bit of a difference between Dean and Ali, or Lily and Ali, or Martha and Ali discussing a HM and Segun, Hanah and Khaled plotting to all nominate her.

Segun, Hanah and Khaled should be allowed to talk freely about their thoughts on Ali (aside from calling her a witch and discussing nominations) without it being labelled bullying or ganging up, why is the same not afforded to Ali? It's always 'targeting' and 'turning on' but when others do similar, or worse, it's fine.

Ali has an issue with Khaled. I don't agree with her issue per se (though he spent most of yesterday looking smug). That's not targeting, that's someone not liking someone else, which happens in life. The reason it's been different is because she voiced her opinion to someone who shared it with Khaled, which led to Ali and Khaled talking, and things went from there. Because Khaled knows how Ali feels, every time there is a head-but, it feeds into their conversation, as it's bound to.

People talk about people infantilising Lily but many viewers do the same with Khaled. He's a grown man having a disagreement with a grown woman.

For me, Ali was expressive about her opinion of Khaled to a wider group, including to those who were friendly with Khaled which, even if unintentional, can feel like an attempt to be influential and sway opinions. That's slightly different for me to Hanah, Khaled and Segun discussing it who, all of solo mind, would have nominated her even without the discussion yesterday. That was the stupidity behind their words; they didn't even have to say them to each other.

Up until yesterday housemates seemed to be in agreement that Khaled hadn't said a bad word to them about Ali - something which frustrated her greatly as she viewed it as him being fake.

I would add that Lily has also called out Khaled to a wider group, though not, from what we have seen, to his face. Now I have typed that, due to their closeness, part of me wonders whether one reason Ali approached Khaled in the first place was so Lily wouldn't be dragged into it.

But this is why I would stand by the argument that Ali has targeted Khaled more than the other way round, even after the events of yesterday's show.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is it? She's had a few disagreements with Khaled and Marcello. That is literally all that's happened. She actually seems to be on solid ground with Marcello most of the time despite head bashing now and again.

How does that warrant three people rounding in on her? And also, why is Hanah bothered they used her to protect Lily, when they saved them both later anyway?

It's so interesting because whenever Ali mentions anyone negatively, it's constantly framed by people on here are "targeting" and "turning on". How can one person target 5 different people? She's making observations on situations, whether her observations are right or wrong doesn't matter, but they all are mentioning people all the time... is Nathan "targeting" Martha? Is he "turning on" Ali?

Makes me laugh that Ali is accused of targeting Sarah... BP... Dean...by saying something negative to one other person, or in the Diary Room, but Segun, Hanah and Khaled all agreeing to nominate Ali next week isn't "targeting"

Ali and Dean didn't know they were going to be able to killer nominate/save and replace.

Let's talk hypothetically. If Lily hadn't been paired with Hanah. Say it was Hanah and Sarah for instance. And Hanah and Sarah were both up for eviction and Lily was safe in a different pairing. Do you think Ali would have gone the same way or, in her mind, would she have been tempted to save Nathan? Would save and replace even have been applied?

I feel Hanah was saved only because of Lily and I guess Hanah can see this. Of course it's a tactical game but she's not just taking this one thing into consideration. Ali can be unreasonable in her behaviour and dismissive of others and we don't actually get to see everything.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Ali and Dean didn't know they were going to be able to killer nominate/save and replace.

Let's talk hypothetically. If Lily hadn't been paired with Hanah. Say it was Hanah and Sarah for instance. And Hanah and Sarah were both up for eviction and Lily was safe in a different pairing. Do you think Ali would have gone the same way or, in her mind, would she have been tempted to save Nathan? Would save and replace even have been applied?

I feel Hanah was saved only because of Lily and I guess Hanah can see this. Of course it's a tactical game but she's not just taking this one thing into consideration. Ali can be unreasonable in her behaviour and dismissive of others and we don't actually get to see everything.

On the grounds that Ali didn't know Save and Replace was going to be a choice, I think she made a tactical mis-step with pairing Hanah with Lily. I think Lily should have been Khaled. Hanah and Lily were nominated by Emma & Thomas, Nathan & Izaaz and Rosie & Sarah. I'm not sure whether any of them would have as comfortable nominating Khaled as they were Hanah. Ali became so fixated that Khaled's group were the ones nominating Lily, she didn't consider the wider house, and where relationships had formed.

[GoldHeart]

ITVX isn't working for me,oh well I can't catch-up on yesterday episode .

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ITVX isn't working for me,oh well I can't catch-up on yesterday episode .

The episode's been taken down for "compliance" reasons, apparently.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

The episode's been taken down for "compliance" reasons, apparently.

really? . At first I thought it was some error .

[Beso]

I cant remeber and it's all a bit blurry now, BUT, didnt Ali want to target Sarah when they first started deliberating their choices?