[GoldGlitter]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I agree that there have been times where he has come across pretty smug. I don't agree with everything Ali has called him out on/said about him, but I don't think she's entirely wrong.

Him and Segun sitting in the hot tub smirking/laughing came across as an intimidation tactic, and extremely juvenile.

Did you watch live feed last night it was really entertaining and better than the main show. I'm gonna be watching it more often.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm glad he's finally realising it's a waste of time to even try with Ali ,as all she's doing is draining the life out of him.

I think he has the best idea ,of just staying civil but not trying to be her friend.

And I don't know what planet Emmy is on about ' Khaled fancying Ali", either Emma is trying to stir things or she genuinely believes that nonsense.

I wish Emma didn't blurt out that crap ,as now it's just giving Ali more excuses to be the way she is with Khaled, notice how it's suddenly " Khaled who was off with her " , like is she delusional....erm she created an issue with Khaled,he doesn't care about her sexual orientation...he was still getting to know her back then , she thinks the
Whole world revolves around her aka 'The Ali show '.

I love the Ali show.

It's a really quote amusing that she winds so many people up.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Swan

Such a shame how Ali's hatred of him has ruined his time in the house.

TBF, it took Ali's bullshit to wake him up.

Clearly, I don't support Ali (I consider her a manipulative abusive hypocritical borderline sociopath) but it took Ali to give him relevance.

I support Team Hanah against Ali and her groomed pet and cynical temporary alliances though, ofc.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

TBF, it took Ali's bullshit to wake him up.

I consider her a manipulative abusive hypocritical borderline sociopath.

For the love of god please touch some grass. That's a gross assessment based on a few hours footage of someone. Your hatred for someone you don't know is not healthy.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by BBXX

For the love of god please touch some grass. That's a gross assessment based on a few hours footage of someone. Your hatred for someone you don't know is not healthy.

I do find her cold, conniving, manipulative and hypocritical myself, though I wouldn't go as far as calling her a sociopath.

[BBXX]

To suggest Ali is abusive is truly insulting to people who are actual victims of abuse. People really truly need some perspective, I've never really known anything like it quite honestly.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I consider her a manipulative abusive hypocritical borderline sociopath

This is just what I see....

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

To suggest Ali is abusive is truly insulting to people who are actual victims of abuse.

When you cannot counter a statement attempt to shame those that hold it.

I consider grooming to be a psychologically abusive act.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

When you cannot counter a statement attempt to shame those that hold it.

I consider grooming to be a psychologically abusive act.

There is literally no evidence of grooming. That's my counter argument.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

I do find her cold, conniving, manipulative and hypocritical myself, though I wouldn't go as far as calling her a sociopath.

Nor would I.

I said borderline.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

There is literally no evidence of grooming. That's my counter argument.

Then make that argument and don't attack other forum members on a personal level.

I consider her 'adoption' of Lily as a clear case of grooming.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Then make that argument and don't attack other forum members on a personal level.

I consider her 'adoption' of Lily as a clear case of grooming.

I think people who have such ongoing venom towards another human they don't know based on a few hours of footage should be called out for lacking perspective. I won't apologise for that.

Someone calling another person an abuser, manipulative and borderline sociopath based on little evidence and just their interpretation of events cannot cry about being "attacked on a personal level".

I've not actually said anything about your character other than your comments are insulting and lack perspective and should probably take a break in nature.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I think people who have such ongoing venom towards another human they don't know based on a few hours of footage should be called out for lacking perspective. I won't apologise for that.

Someone calling another person an abuser, manipulative and borderline sociopath based on little evidence and just their interpretation of events cannot cry about being "attacked on a personal level".

I've not actually said anything about your character other than your comments are insulting and lack perspective and should probably take a break in nature.

Notice how I disagree with you but somehow manage to not make personal comments on you, no matter what I actually think of your takes?

Look, you saying these things about me isn't gonna shame me out of holding the views I do on Ali, so I don't really get the need to say it.

I merely comment on what I observe in the HMs, as we all do. I find her controlling manipulative hypocritical and deeply dishonest in how she engages with others.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Notice how I disagree with you but somehow manage to not make personal comments on you, no matter what I actually think of your takes?

Look, you saying these things about me isn't gonna shame me out of holding the views I do on Ali, so I don't really get the need to say it.

I merely comment on what I observe in the HMs, as we all do. I find her controlling manipulative hypocritical and deeply dishonest in how she engages with others.

Look, I am not trying to change your views on Ali, and you have a right to have them, but I think people should bear in mind they're talking about regular people in a gameshow and maybe some of the harsher comments are better left unsaid.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

you have a right to have them

Yes, that's correct. can we call this done now? It's dragging on a bit.

I am here to just talk about HMs, not to lecture others on their posts.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

Did you watch live feed last night it was really entertaining and better than the main show. I'm gonna be watching it more often.

I watched it for a bit...but its hard work with the bird-song at that time of night. At least when the adverts come on they are going to come to an end after a minute or so...but the bird song can go on and on and on....

However I caught a bit where Lily and BP had had a misunderstanding...and the boys and Sarah chatting in the lounge.

[GlitterUK]

Thought Khaled was a champ the way he spoke to Regina, saying if he goes he doesn't want any bad blood. Definitely the bigger person and full credit to him for that.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I watched it for a bit...but its hard work with the bird-song at that time of night. At least when the adverts come on they are going to come to an end after a minute or so...but the bird song can go on and on and on....

However I caught a bit where Lily and BP had had a misunderstanding...and the boys and Sarah chatting in the lounge.

It's easier when you're American and can hit record. It ends 7p here so a good time to get night routine started. But there has been way too much birdsong of late, I agree.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

We've seen subtle slips of the mask in the house. When he was walking back after smashing the window. When he was in the hot tub after the massive row. Maybe Izaaz going on Friday night won't be such a bad thing because it will go to their heads.

Izaaz might not leave tbf.

The polls indicate that it's going to be close.

[GoldGlitter]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Izaaz might not leave tbf.

The polls indicate that it's going to be close.

My friend who I watch the show with voted for Marcello. Who did you vote for?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

My friend who I watch the show with voted for Marcello. Who did you vote for?

I voted to evict Izaaz.

Ironically a week ago I would've also voted for Marcello, but he has grown on me.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Thought Khaled was a champ the way he spoke to Regina, saying if he goes he doesn't want any bad blood. Definitely the bigger person and full credit to him for that.

Regina .

Khaled has always been the bigger person in all this , his maturity level is so high.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

There is literally no evidence of grooming. That's my counter argument.

Both Nathan & Ali are grooming Lily, in Thursday's episode...when Nathan had yet another bitch session about " who is fake" , he was probing Lily for answers ,and making her go along the board of housemates. Whilst he kept being agreeable . I half expected him to throw her a treat ,and say " good girl" .

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Both Nathan & Ali are grooming Lily, in Thursday's episode...when Nathan had yet another bitch session about " who is fake" , he was probing Lily for answers ,and making her go along the board of housemates. Whilst he kept being agreeable . I half expected him to throw her a treat ,and say " good girl" .

As you've said elsewhere, not everything has to have an ulterior motive. Sometimes chat is just chat, like when Nathan went through the screen saying how many fake people we thought there was to probe Ali and gauge her reaction. Or like when Khaled wasn't trying to manipulate Izaaz to take his side over Ali's and said if he remained he was lying.