[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Hanah thought Sarah was using it about her core group though which are POC.

It all means the same thing because the people coming in on the boats are not white

[Mystic Mock]

She made a joke.

It's like Ryan's VT all over again the way that some of the BB audience like to blow things out of proportion.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I know some on social media are outraged, but a lot of social media seem to be on Sarah’s side, as in not said in a racist way.

Well most people can understand intent thankfully.

[Beso]

She dis nothing wrong but shes doomed.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

See how easy it is to make a statement like that though? You thinking it is doesn't make it a fact.

Yes it’s something you do all the time.

[UserSince2005]

She should have doubled down and won the whole show. Instead she was a weak and allowed evil to win.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes it’s something you do all the time.

C'mon, we had moved on from snarky personal comments like that. I was simply demonstrating that the fact whether it was racist or not was subjective is based on the predisposition and prejudices of the hearer.

I would argue that her intent was not racist. I would argue that her intent is what matters.

I think automatically taking her joke as as racist is on par with Dean claiming homophobia for 'Campenstein'.

[GlitterUK]

Yeah I think she will be able to see both sides of the argument and will learn from it.

[Cherie]

She had a terrible night overall, we didnt see her in the sabotage challenge, she dealt with Lily really badly and let her get under her skin, and then the gloaty thing......why did BB show that, I dont think they realised it was a play on words until she explained herself to Hanah, I thought it was gloat with a y on the end to begin with...I dont think she was malicious in her intent but at the same time it was a silly thing to say

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by vesavius

C'mon, we had moved on from snarky personal comments like that. I was simply demonstrating that the fact whether it was racist or not was subjective is based on the predisposition and prejudices of the hearer.

I would argue that her intent was not racist. I would argue that her intent is what matters.

I think automatically taking her joke as as racist is on par with Dean claiming homophobia for 'Campenstein'.

No I don't think her intent was racist either ,I think she was just making a joke about politics . I actually had to rewatch it ,as I missed parts of the episode. I noticed it went over Emma's head at first ,then she was like " oh" .

It does feel like Sarah is always shown putting her foot in it ,or having to explain herself. Then there's gremlin Lily winding her up,Sarah looked genuinely annoyed . I really hope Lily doesn't get sympathy over the pancake comment . You can tell Sarah is sick and
tired of her.

[Ammi]

…it’s sad that she’s seemingly become the saboteur/her own self saboteur…through no intention or malice or even awareness..it wasn’t so much what she originally said or chanted, but how she explained it to be…but she only explained it because there was no intent in it …just a mess of words for Sarah, sadly…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s sad that she’s seemingly become the saboteur/her own self saboteur…through no intention or malice or even awareness..it wasn’t so much what she originally said or chanted, but how she explained it to be…but she only explained it because there was no intent in it …just a mess of words for Sarah, sadly…

I honestly wish she didn't explain it, plus if you have to explain a joke... usually that means it's going to go down like a lead balloon.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I honestly wish she didn't explain it, plus if you have to explain a joke... usually that means it's going to go down like a lead balloon.

…that she did explain it, to me kind of doubles down and confirms that lack of intent or even awareness…I mean, she’s not going to say…oh by the way, that all might have slipped by unnoticed but when I (we…)…chanted that, there were undertones of racism as well…I say ‘we’ because was it not said by Nathan as well…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…that she did explain it, to me kind of doubles down and confirms that lack of intent or even awareness…I mean, she’s not going to say…oh by the way, that all might have slipped by unnoticed but when I (we…)…chanted that, there were undertones of racism as well…I say ‘we’ because was it not said by Nathan as well…

I agree
And I'm not sure if he said it ,but she definitely aimed it at him ...to join in when they did the vampire task.
She said it was a joke for Nathan's benefit, around political slogans.

I don't think she had ill intent either , I think Sarah has a way of putting her foot in it ... unfortunately.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I agree
And I'm not sure if he said it ,but she definitely aimed it at him ...to join in when they did the vampire task.
She said it was a joke for Nathan's benefit, around political slogans.

I don't think she had ill intent either , I think Sarah has a way of putting her foot in it ... unfortunately.

…yeah, she may have been slow in realising what she said/or how it could be taken but she was very quick to apologise in her devastation…

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

C'mon, we had moved on from snarky personal comments like that. I was simply demonstrating that the fact whether it was racist or not was subjective is based on the predisposition and prejudices of the hearer.

I would argue that her intent was not racist. I would argue that her intent is what matters.

I think automatically taking her joke as as racist is on par with Dean claiming homophobia for 'Campenstein'.

Me too but to be fair you criticised me posting my opinion as fact and I did the same back because I found it hypocritical. But yes I don’t want to get into a personal debate.

I wasn’t talking about Sarah’s comment - I don’t believe it was racist either and absolutely agree that is subjective.

I was referring to the phrase Stop The Boats being used by the Tory Party being racially charged. It’s the reason why Sarah’s using it as a base for a joke was a stupid decision.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Political Correctness
If there is the slightest chance it can be taken the wrong way it will be

Yes, seems that people just look for anything to be offended, gives them an excuse to post their bile on social media.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes, seems that people just look for anything to be offended, gives them an excuse to post their bile on social media.

Definitely people are always looking for an opportunity to get their phone out and misrepresenting a situation