[arista]

Good News, about time.

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confirmed the Deputy PM
is to tell locals, tonight.

[Oliver_W]

Didn't some want it left as a shrine/monument?

[UserSince2005]

Get it knocked down and have some nice fancy fire resistant premium apartments built. I might invest.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Didn't some want it left as a shrine/monument?

Yes, some did.


But not all of the Locals

[Oliver_W]

As the lady who fell asleep in Parliament just said (on Vine), there should be a monument, but it doesn't need to be a burned out building.

[joeysteele]

Speaking for myself.
I am scratching my head at just how anyone can even want this now monstrosity to remain standing.

Had I lost a loved one in that tragedy, the last thing I'd want to see is that building remaining standing.
To me, it's a no brainer.
Tear the horrible thing down.

That's my personal view of course.

Definitely do a memorial but no way should this be left standing and it should be demolished.
For me the wrong decision, would be to NOT demolish it actually.

[Cherie]

Angela Rayner has denied being “aggressive” towards bereaved Grenfell families when she told them the tower was to be demolished.

The deputy prime minister has faced severe criticism for her decision, with some campaigners saying it should remain standing as a memorial for the 72 people who died in the 2017 fire.

Rayner, who is also housing secretary, held a private meeting with Grenfell survivors and their families on Wednesday.

The 24-storey building is currently covered in scaffolding with a green heart and the words “forever in our hearts”.

But the government says structural experts say the tower “is significantly damaged” and its condition will worsen over time.

On the BBC this morning, Rayner said there wasn’t a consensus among the Grenfell families about what should happen to the site.

“What I want to try and do is work with the Grenfell community, the bereaved survivors, to make sure we do justice to the fact there is a sacred place, people lost their lives there and make sure there is a lasting memorial on that site,” she said.

“So I felt, weighing up all of the different conversations I had, and the engineering report, that the only way forward was to sensitively make sure we start taking away the tower to ground floor level.”

Presenter Laura Kuenssberg then told her: “Some of those bereaved felt this week when they met you that your behaviour in the meeting was very upsetting.

“One of them told us ‘the government’s ruined relationships with the families in half an hour. It was a car crash’. Another survivor suggested that your were even defensive, even aggressive.”

Rayner replied: “I certainly don’t feel I was aggressive. If anyone felt that way then I would be sincerely upset about that.

“What I tried to do is take a very difficult meeting and explain to people and make sure that those that were bereaved had that information and the survivors had that information before the decision was made public.”

Huff Post

[joeysteele]

I think, and I can identify with this as at the time of the loss of my Dad.

When you're NOT hearing what you want to and even need to, whether it's rational or not
You will look for negatives.
Particularly from what others may say or even suggest doing.

The slightest challenging word or statement can get overblown into being offensive and thereby increase the negativity from those grieving and wanting to hear only what they want to.

I don't think Angela Raynor would be deliberately offensive at a meeting of this nature and important matter.
However she was never, as no one would have been, able to say or present what ALL the grieving of lost loved ones wanted to hear.

I recall times I've been at a TRUST meeting with relatives of a loved one losing life in hospital that maybe could have been avoided.
Where some relatives could take on board what the Medical staff were presenting..
However others challenged it and some got very angry.

In grieving you can for a time or for longer periods be like at war with the world.
In a case like this, it is easy to fire negativity against anyone saying what you don't really want to hear.

This would be a very hard meeting no doubt at all on that, and impossible to address properly the feelings of ALL involved.
There really just would be little chance of some, most or all coming away feeling they'd got much or anything they hoped to.
Very sadly.

[Beso]

She also refused to say how many survivors and victims family members she met with...seemingly it wasn't very many.

[arista]

Today the Deputy PM
pushed back Prosecutions
another 3 years.

One Firm has now gone under
so they get away with it.

Another 6 Companies
but locals started 3 years is far too long.

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