[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

the rules for accepting asylum seekers are defined in stone by international law. The UK doesn't make the rules

No but there is no law that says they have to be put up in hotels?

Home Office estimates in February found there were “more than 45,500 asylum seekers in hotels costing the UK taxpayer £5.6 million a day”, approximately £2 billion a year.

Build some accommodation, Labour want to build build build they can start with this

I don't think its a stretch to say young people are seeing how their grandparents are being treated after years of work, no wonder they dont want to start doing a 9 to 5, not sure I would either if I were in their shoes

[bots]

i think they could probably home the lot of them in Gary Lineker's house

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think if you're here seeking asylum and you don't have a valid reason you should be sent back.
Too many come here only for the benefits.

... and will be if they haven't a valid reason to be here.
HOW do you KNOW that until they're processed however and you have ALL the information.

How though is that the asylum seekers fault that the processing has been left over endless years, to take so long now to do so.

Reform blame that mainly on those from other Countries and cultures coming here.
Your last line I can't answer, I haven't got the private or personal information of all those in the immigration process that says they only come here for the benefits.
Maybe you have more information that conclusively shows that to be the case
I haven't so it's not a statement I'd make or without concrete evidence accept especially from the likes of Farage and his Reform divisive lot.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Sorry Joey, but if the black hole can be fixed off the backs of pensioners and the disabled I think maybe the Asylum seekers should shoulder some of the burden too? No point shouldering the rich or the non doms with such trivialites ....the country is actually ****ed when we are asking the vulnerable to shoulder the debt crisis and not address the elephant in the room, putting Asylum Seekers up in hotels costs 5.6 million per day, 2 billion a year...not chump change by any stretch, they need to house them elsewhere.....Labour did come into power on a ticket of no longer using hotels? am I wrong , I dont think its right to immediately head to Reform either, I dont vote Reform and dont intend to, infact I spoiled my last vote because I am sick and tired of being called this and that for wanting a quality of life for me and my kids, apparently that is not allowed

Now thankfully at least you come up with reasoned and strong points which is not surprising as you generally do make very valid points.

I am totally dismayed with the Labour government at present and frankly I wish as to all Parties, that they'd just put income tax up.
I think the Country would more, although begrudgingly, accept that, than the winter fuel allowance wrong action.
Plus on the welfare issue, the making of qualifying for PIP much harder.

Members of Labour and Labour MPs are not happy at all with the changes to PIP eligibility.
So who knows if that may yet get changed.

Indeed, you are right, Labour did intend to end the Hotels being used, which may or may not come about but it was never going to happen in only months.
However I think Labour is in as much difficulty on that one as the Cons found themselves too.
I personally have never believed there was a quick fix.

I'm not going to do what Reform does, and virtually only scapegoat those Human beings coming from other countries and of other cultures too.
They're not just numbers but are human beings too.

Also, to end, I'm not married or have children but I know what I'd like to see hopefully and eventually for members of my much younger family and for their futures.
You have children and you have every right to be angry at the failing across the board of the last decades as to the Country and as to your hopes for your family too.
That's is understandable and wholly commendable.

I just don't blame the human beings from other Countries and of other cultures.
I blame the system and I too would hold Labour responsible for not acting more quickly.

I was pleased to read your segment on Reform.
Speaking for myself, I have no time for Farage and Reform.
I don't and never have believed in my life thus far, that blaming others coming here for the failings of this Country and creating division against them is fair at all.

I'll certainly however take on board other things you've said there in your response to me as well.
I am far from happy with the Labour government so far.
In fact I don't think I've ever been so disillusioned with politics as I am now.
However there's no answer in the Reform Party in my own view, other than becoming prejudiced and being more divisive and intolerant towards other human beings who are seen by the Reform lot as not being desirables for the UK.
I think that's a horrible rhetoric to support, just speaking for myself obviously.

Thank you for your response Cherie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Now thankfully at least you come up with reasoned and strong points which is not surprising as you generally do make very valid points.

I am totally dismayed with the Labour government at present and frankly I wish as to all Parties, that they'd just put income tax up.
I think the Country would more, although begrudgingly, accept that, than the winter fuel allowance wrong action.
Plus on the welfare issue, the making of qualifying for PIP much harder.

Members of Labour and Labour MPs are not happy at all with the changes to PIP eligibility.
So who knows if that may yet get changed.

Indeed, you are right, Labour did intend to end the Hotels being used, which may or may not come about but it was never going to happen in only months.
However I think Labour is in as much difficulty on that one as the Cons found themselves too.
I personally have never believed there was a quick fix.

I'm not going to do what Reform does, and virtually only scapegoat those Human beings coming from other countries and of other cultures too.
They're not just numbers but are human beings too.

Also, to end, I'm not married or have children but I know what I'd like to see hopefully and eventually for members of my much younger family and for their futures.
You have children and you have every right to be angry at the failing across the board of the last decades as to the Country and as to your hopes for your family too.
That's is understandable and wholly commendable.

I just don't blame the human beings from other Countries and of other cultures.
I blame the system and I too would hold Labour responsible for not acting more quickly.

I was pleased to read your segment on Reform.
Speaking for myself, I have no time for Farage and Reform.
I don't and never have believed in my life thus far, that blaming others coming here for the failings of this Country and creating division against them is fair at all.

I'll certainly however take on board other things you've said there in your response to me as well.
I am far from happy with the Labour government so far.
In fact I don't think I've ever been so disillusioned with politics as I am now.
However there's no answer in the Reform Party in my own view, other than becoming prejudiced and being more divisive and intolerant towards other human beings who are seen by the Reform lot as not being desirables for the UK.
I think that's a horrible rhetoric to support, just speaking for myself obviously.

Thank you for your response Cherie.

It is sad to see someone as invested as yourself become disillusioned Joey, I really dont understand why the UK has no safe and legal ways for asylum seekers to come here, smashing the gangs is all very well, but if there are no legal routes then what is the point....my only conclusion is that there is too much money to be made in the current system and that is the only reason it continues

[Cherie]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...rlene-34902119

oh dear when the lefty luvvies cant support you any more things are looking bad

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It is sad to see someone as invested as yourself become disillusioned Joey, I really dont understand why the UK has no safe and legal ways for asylum seekers to come here, smashing the gangs is all very well, but if there are no legal routes then what is the point....my only conclusion is that there is too much money to be made in the current system and that is the only reason it continues

Thank you Cherie.
I think, sadly smashing the gangs sounds strong to most politicians.
It fits too unfortunately with the only divisive rhetoric of Farage and Reform against asylum seekers too.

Creating legal routes and setting them up in other Countries.
I have no idea what the cost of that may be but I do agree it would be the better way.

Legal routes in place would surely be the better way to take away any need, desperate or otherwise, to risk lives in those awful dinghy crossings.
So I'm in agreement fully with you there.

However too, Labour has to get the full processing of assessing them all done more quickly too.
They need to make that a more major priority as well.

[bots]

they need to move the handling of illegal immigrants to a non political space. Every party knows the rules, every party knows how complex an issue it is. Take the politics out of it and just enforce the law. Then the likes of reform have nothing to argue about