[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

So if you happen to watch a sporting event, say acwirod cup of football, and you see all the nation's who qualified, and their fans proudly waving their nation's flags during every game! Is it just the english fans you call racists and bigots?

Cause if you do it makes you the bigot, just like that fool above you who's arse you're kissing.

Why are you completely repeatedly ignoring context? An England flag at an England sporting event - normal. An England flag up a pole in someone's bac garden - probably EDL sympathisers. That seems like a fairly obvious truth.

Likewise, flying the GB flag at the olympics or when there's a new Royal or whatever if that floats your boat - normal. Having a big ol' Union Jack in your bedroom window - 99% of the time a nationalist/anti-immigration statement.

You can deny it all you want, you know it's true.

The implications of the saltire are slightly different - someone flying one is most likely indicating that they're pro-independence. Someone flying a Union Jack in Scotland most likely indicating that they're a Unionist: that also doesn't really apply in England (as we saw above most English folks seem to think the England flag and Union Jack are interchangeable/both effectively English flags). The sociological situation is different.

But also no

Despite being pro-independence, I wouldn't stick a Saltire in my garden or window.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Barry.

When are people attacking Scotland now?

Originally Posted by Livia

It's always the same people who claim our national flag is used by scum to further their racist aims. I live in the country, lots of UJs are flown quite innocently by patriots. But then and Irish person living in Portugal and a Scot are not the best people to decide which of us is racist.

Livia has decided that because I'm Scottish, I can't comment on the use of the Union Jack. Make of that what you will. To me the implication is fairly obvious; the Scots shouldn't comment on England-centric stuff, like the UK flag.

To be fair I don't even disagree - the Union Jack is 100% England-centric in nature. Straight in the bin.

[Jessica.]

And now after this insightful conversation we can think about why someone might fly a Palestinian flag, is it likely because they agree with one terrorist group or because they are showing support for the Palestinian people who have been and are still being murdered, displaced, injured, orphaned.. I could go on.

[Beso]

You can deny it all you want, you know it's true.



And you can claim it to be true all you want, but until you actually talk to the home owners you know diddly Jack **** about their reasons, same as the rest of us.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

And now after this insightful conversation we can think about why someone might fly a Palestinian flag, is it likely because they agree with one terrorist group or because they are showing support for the Palestinian people who have been and are still being murdered, displaced, injured, orphaned.. I could go on.

I mean if I'm going to be really blunt and non-partisan here I would say this:

Frankly most people flying any flag have no idea why they're flying it, beyond that they know "other people are doing it" / joining in. That applies in all of the above scenarios honestly. Some people are flying flags because of a political ideology, other people are flying them because Bob next door is flying them, and they're not sure what's going on, but hey, they usually agree with Bob.

[Barry.]

I don’t care what flag you fly as long as it’s not meant in mean spirit.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

And now after this insightful conversation we can think about why someone might fly a Palestinian flag, is it likely because they agree with one terrorist group or because they are showing support for the Palestinian people who have been and are still being murdered, displaced, injured, orphaned.. I could go on.

It will no doubt be a far left Nazi, showing their street how much they hate the jews.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

You can deny it all you want, you know it's true.



And you can claim it to be true all you want, but until you actually talk to the home owners you know diddly Jack **** about their reasons, same as the rest of us.

Nonsense, humans are extremely social creatures and excellent at pattern recognition, meaning speculations on motivation are very often 100% correct.

We didn't get where we are as a civilisation by not being able to quite accurately make social assessments, blundering through life saying "Oh I dunno it could be anything!". Come on now.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

...I will now though: people flying the England flag out their windows are definitely xenophobic and bigoted. With the UJ it's just "probably".

Probably agree, however there are exceptions, especially during the world cup/euros. I know pathetically nice and kind people, of all races, who hang the St George from their windows during footie tournaments.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Nonsense, humans are extremely social creatures and excellent at pattern recognition, meaning speculations on motivation are very often 100% correct.

We didn't get where we are as a civilisation by not being able to quite accurately make social assessments, blundering through life saying "Oh I dunno it could be anything!". Come on now.

Luckily you wernt around in Nazi Germany pointing out suspected jews who you had never met, to the SS


Are you sure he's a jew TS, he's very good at skiing.

Yes mein fuhrer, look at the nose on him.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Luckily you wernt around in Nazi Germany pointing out suspected jews who you had never met, to the SS

I doubt many of them were hanging the Star of David from their window for anyone to point out?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Luckily you wernt around in Nazi Germany pointing out suspected jews who you had never met, to the SS


Are you sure he's a jew TS, he's very good at skiing.

Yes mein fuhrer, look at the nose on him.

Very odd to conflate someone's physical appearance with the choice to hang a Union Jack in their window, these are not even vaguely related Parmy, you're essentially arguing that no one should make assumptions based on appearance (which is correct, but ironically, not something most of your pals on this forum are very good at ) but you can make assumptions based on people's choices - such as flying a flag.

What you're saying is more akin to saying that in WW2, Jewish people shouldn't have hidden from SS officers coming down their street, because the uniform and Nazi flag might have been totally innocent and if you talked to them, you might find out that they actually really like Jewish people. Wild.

[Beso]

Your assumptions can be detrimental to your flag flying neighbours, and you have no leg to stand on in regards to assuming things..its divisive, and without fact.

[Beso]

Any person of any nationality can freely and proudly fly their nation's flag without comment or a 2nd thought given..

Not you though, your English, how dare you show pride in your country you big racist bigot that you are..


"Hi, jock, your saltire took a battering in that wind last night. Maybe tie it down next time" like that nazi basrard eirh the english flag next door did"

"Oh hi TS, yeah, it did, wish i had done the same as Simon"


"Oh, is that his name!, I've never spoken to him before"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Your assumptions can be detrimental to your flag flying neighbours, and you have no leg to stand on in regards to assuming things..its divisive, and without fact.

Nah 99.9% of people flying a Union Jack from their house voted for Brexit and are probably voting Reform (unless they're still clinging to their Tory roots). That is my assumption and I'm confident in it. I'm sorry that I'm not willing to bend to your worldview where everyone is nice and peaceful and you can't make assumptions about them being xenophobic dickholes, but I'm happy enough with my viewpoint, thanks all the same.

Like I said it wasn't the case 10 years ago, the Union Jack has increasingly come to symbolise ultranationalist tendancies since Indy/Brexit/etc but that has nothing to do with "me", it's just a sociological fact.

Just like it was the EDL who trashed the St George's cross and them who are responsible for its now shocking reputation.

[bots]

people should be able to fly whatever flag they like, provided it is not illegal or supports a terrorist organisation

[Beso]

Voting for brexit doesn't make people bigots, nor does voting for reform..nor does flying a flag.

8m afraid you've allowed yourself to be brainnwashed by media outlets, TS

[Cherie]

This is just ridiculous, who cares what flags are being flown as long as they are not illegal, surely they have better things to do with their time

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Voting for brexit doesn't make people bigots, nor does voting for reform..nor does flying a flag.

8m afraid you've allowed yourself to be brainnwashed by media outlets, TS

Most people who align themselves that way are bigots, it doesn't mean every single one is a bad person, but there's a huge correlation. There are exceptions like being uneducated, having a controlling family etc..

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is just ridiculous, who cares what flags are being flown as long as they are not illegal, surely they have better things to do with their time

My thought exactly. Just flag the flag you want, its up to that person and like I said, as long as its not to be doing it to be an arse

[Livia]

I used to see lots of cars in London with the Scottish flag on them, no one paid any attention. I'd defy anyone to park a car in Glasgow with a St George's flag on it. And yet the English flag is the problem. I've never seem the English flag draped over terrorists' coffins while men in balaclavas fired illegal weapons over them, but again, the English flag is definitely the problem.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I used to see lots of cars in London with the Scottish flag on them, no one paid any attention. I'd defy anyone to park a car in Glasgow with a St George's flag on it. And yet the English flag is the problem. I've never seem the English flag draped over terrorists' coffins while men in balaclavas fired illegal weapons over them, but again, the English flag is definitely the problem.

The English are historically terrorists though, colonisers, killers, rapers, that's why Scots might find it offensive.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

The English are historically terrorists though, colonisers, killers, rapers, that's why Scots might find it offensive.

I personally don't see much that Scots should respect England for or the other Nations of the UK to respect England for either.

[Beso]

I'm sure the KKKs first members were Scottish immigrants.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

The English are historically terrorists though, colonisers, killers, rapers, that's why Scots might find it offensive.

Scots did all that and more at the same time. Look it up.