[Ammi]

…I also feel that the welfare and wellbeing of Lucy’s child should be a huge consideration with the courts as well…the impact of words yes, needs to be considered but that’s already been done at a time when there was an ‘ongoing situation’…that isn’t the case anymore and this is just creating a whole negative mindset of a justice system for her child of a system that already is very damaged in the eyes of the public…it really does feel that the person who will suffer most through this prison confinement and have the most longer lasting damage will be Lucy’s daughter…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

She said that she was okay with people in the Hotels being burned alive.

In any civilized country, that is illegal to say.

And by incitement, I am on about the fact that she was potentially encouraging other people to potentially attack those Hotels.

I agree.

The only thing I'll give her is she didn't hide her views, at least the public saw what and how she thought.

It's a pity she didn't think of her family when she purposely set out what she thought and what she'd like to see take place too.
I really hate any prejudice and people who are prejudiced.
Once I know they are, they are well out of my life.
Family, friend or even foe.
Some try to or do hide their prejudices, at least she revealed the horrible side she has and her prejudice against others.

The sentencing is a matter for the law and the court.
People cannot pick and choose what the result of committing crimes will be once charged and are guilty of the crime too.
To avoid lenient or not so lenient sentencing ALL that has to be done is not break the law in the first place.
Plus not incite others to do so too.
She chose to not avoid that.

[bots]

the other difference between written word and spoken is that written word is premeditated whereas its often the case that spoken word is not. It's not easy to compare 1 offence with another because they will often be completely different under the hood

[Ammi]

…what you’ve said @bots, what Joey has said above you…both of your written words…?…just go to the layers this case is …as obviously many cases in many areas are and one size never fits all…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lucy Connolly is a scapegoat, sacrificed to obscure the manifest failures of
multiculturalism. She should be released immediately.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Lucy Connolly is a scapegoat, sacrificed to obscure the manifest failures of
multiculturalism. She should be released immediately.

The truth in a nutshell.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Gary Linekar is racist, he even apologised for being racist, no jail time for Gazza

The Met are assessing Gary's post ..I am sure no action will follow though

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/g...-b1228870.html

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

The only thing I'll give her is she didn't hide her views, at least the public saw what and how she thought.

It's a pity she didn't think of her family when she purposely set out what she thought and what she'd like to see take place too.
I really hate any prejudice and people who are prejudiced.
Once I know they are, they are well out of my life.
Family, friend or even foe.
Some try to or do hide their prejudices, at least she revealed the horrible side she has and her prejudice against others.

The sentencing is a matter for the law and the court.
People cannot pick and choose what the result of committing crimes will be once charged and are guilty of the crime too.
To avoid lenient or not so lenient sentencing ALL that has to be done is not break the law in the first place.
Plus not incite others to do so too.
She chose to not avoid that.

I 100% agree with everything you've said here Joey.

I couldn't put it across any better.

[Beso]

Jewish man charged for satirising Hezbollah.. it may cause upset to people protesting in support of Hezbollah, says female police officer.

https://youtu.be/CeOtHquWUWA?si=JqDSqcYrmJpiO-eA

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Beso

Jewish man charged for satirising Hezbollah.. it may cause upset to people protesting in support of Hezbollah, says female police officer.

https://youtu.be/CeOtHquWUWA?si=JqDSqcYrmJpiO-eA

Dear me..

[Livia]

The sooner we stop criminalising people for words the sooner we can move on as a country. Right now we look like a police state. If you're going to give a Pakistani paedo rapist a lenient sentence then jail a white woman for words on the Internet it'll show the world who we are right now and frankly I'm ashamed to be British. Two Tier Kier and his two tier justice system have made us a laughing stock.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I 100% agree with everything you've said here Joey.

I couldn't put it across any better.

Thank you Mock.
WORDS are a powerful tool and can be dangerous.

If anyone has prejudices, who then spout out those prejudices publicly, even in print too
Which if in any way can be construed as inciting or wanting harm done to others, like this lady CHOSE to post.
Then indeed, in my view, words should have consequences.

Actually setting out to post PUBLICLY vile and dangerous words, (in these times), with planned wording made before finally posting.
Then definitely that needs to be dealt with and SHOULD in my view be a crime too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you Mock.
WORDS are a powerful tool and can be dangerous.

If anyone has prejudices, who then spout out those prejudices publicly, even in print too
Which if in any way can be construed as inciting or wanting harm done to others, like this lady CHOSE to post.
Then indeed, in my view, words should have consequences.

Actually setting out to post vile and dangerous words, (in these times), with planned wording made before finally posting.
Then definitely that needs to be dealt with and SHOULD in my view be a crime too.

I agree. We've had weekly marches of Palestinian supporters calling for the death of Jews. These marches have been fully supported and enabled by the Met Police who even argued when questioned that the use of a swastika is "subjective". Grooming gangs have been pretty much let off the hook so as not to upset Pakistanis particularly and Muslims in general. If people are going to be hit with the full force if the law, that law has to be seen to apply to everyone equally. Right now, it doesn't. It's a two tier system.

This woman's sentence was intentionally cruel and longer than a Pakistani man got for raping a child. I can't be the only person who thinks that is obscene.

It's all very well to be supportive of people's feelings but it doesn't work if only one section if society is protected.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you Mock.
WORDS are a powerful tool and can be dangerous.

If anyone has prejudices, who then spout out those prejudices publicly, even in print too
Which if in any way can be construed as inciting or wanting harm done to others, like this lady CHOSE to post.
Then indeed, in my view, words should have consequences.

Actually setting out to post PUBLICLY vile and dangerous words, (in these times), with planned wording made before finally posting.
Then definitely that needs to be dealt with and SHOULD in my view be a crime too.

…I do agree with you, Joey…that words can have much weight and much responsibility, especially in this current world of social media escalation/misinformation etc …and I do feel at the time those words were said in this case…?…that there was an escalating highly volatile situation ongoing in many areas of the country…but I’m very, very conflicted about the value of the sentence now and the consideration of a system to consider remaining time to be served as a ‘suspended’…which would still be something set that would hopefully deter from re-offending …I think also because in my work life, I’ve been familiar with two cases that involved a parent serving prison time…I know the impact on the child of these things and that it’s something that isn’t just ‘punishing’ the separated parent…that’s an emotional aspect, I realise that…on a more practical level…a child and family will have to be given a lot of social services care through this from many agencies and much counselling, I would think…definitely for her daughter…so for a service already drained of finances…?…it’s something to consider as well that some of Lucy’s sentence may be better served on a suspended/non custodial basis…which then won’t inevitably use up a huge portion of very sparse budget…

[Cherie]

The good news for Lucy is under the current rules she will be out in August, I know its probably an eternity if you are locked up

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I do agree with you, Joey…that words can have much weight and much responsibility, especially in this current world of social media escalation/misinformation etc …and I do feel at the time those words were said in this case…?…that there was an escalating highly volatile situation ongoing in many areas of the country…but I’m very, very conflicted about the value of the sentence now and the consideration of a system to consider remaining time to be served as a ‘suspended’…which would still be something set that would hopefully deter from re-offending …I think also because in my work life, I’ve been familiar with two cases that involved a parent serving prison time…I know the impact on the child of these things and that it’s something that isn’t just ‘punishing’ the separated parent…that’s an emotional aspect, I realise that…on a more practical level…a child and family will have to be given a lot of social services care through this from many agencies and much counselling, I would think…definitely for her daughter…so for a service already drained of finances…?…it’s something to consider as well that some of Lucy’s sentence may be better served on a suspended/non custodial basis…which then won’t inevitably use up a huge portion of very sparse budget…

Apart for her child who was obviously experiencing some separation issues, I believe her husband is undergoing treatment for bone marrow failure so it seems exceptionally cruel to deny her early release

[thesheriff443]

Her sentence is a way to silence the masses

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree. We've had weekly marches of Palestinian supporters calling for the death of Jews. These marches have been fully supported and enabled by the Met Police who even argued when questioned that the use of a swastika is "subjective". Grooming gangs have been pretty much let off the hook so as not to upset Pakistanis particularly and Muslims in general. If people are going to be hit with the full force if the law, that law has to be seen to apply to everyone equally. Right now, it doesn't. It's a two tier system.

This woman's sentence was intentionally cruel and longer than a Pakistani man got for raping a child. I can't be the only person who thinks that is obscene.

It's all very well to be supportive of people's feelings but it doesn't work if only one section if society is protected.

1. I'll just say it, there are Paedophiles being protected by the justice system because there are Paedophiles high up within the UK Government and overall justice system. Obviously I don't know their names, but it's the reason why Paedophiles (regardless of race, sexuality, or Religion,) are getting such pathetically low sentences.

And 2. We do know that some parts of Labour have an Anti-Semitic issue due to their sympathies to Islam, they obviously need to address that problem I agree with you.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The White House is "monitoring" the case
of Lucy Connolly who was jailed over a social media
post about the Southport attacks,
reports The Daily Telegraph,
which says the US development
is an escalation of free speech tensions with
Sir Keir Starmer.]

[Cherie]

Considering last week Starmer said on camera he was not aware of her case, this is quiet the turnaround, I am sure he knows about it now