[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

Wise

[Vanessa]

Technical failure and the reason why I wouldn't board a flight that isn't a company I know well.
Take British Airways they're very good.
Really heartbreaking, and only one survivor. Wow

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

There’s more chance of dying that way than flying.

[Ammi]

…one of the articles I read had some initial thoughts of aviation specialists…obviously it is just thoughts in studying the footage and not based on any black box findings yet but one has said that ‘it didn’t look correct’ in that the plane had the landing gear down when it should have been up and it didn’t appear to have its take off flap setting…


…we’ll find out more soon, just horrendous, a terrible tragedy…

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…one of the articles I read had some initial thoughts of aviation specialists…obviously it is just thoughts in studying the footage and not based on any black box findings yet but one has said that ‘it didn’t look correct’ in that the plane had the landing gear down when it should have been up and it didn’t appear to have its take off flap setting…


…we’ll find out more soon, just horrendous, a terrible tragedy…

yeah, they said the flaps weren't extended which would mean the plane didn't have enough lift and that is consistent with the planes flight behaviour. I would speculate at this point that it was pilot error. Anyone who has flown knows you can hear the flaps going into position and it takes 20-30 seconds, so it's impossible to miss

[Ammi]

BBC TV star feared dead in Air India plane crash after haunting final post


BBC1 TV show DanceX contestant Jamie Greenlaw-Meek is feared dead in the doomed Air India plane. Greenlaw-Meek and Fiongal Greenlaw-Meek are among 53 British nationals who were booked to fly on the aircraft.

In a video shared onto their company The Wellness Foundry’s Instagram account, Fiongal, a former fashion designer, said: “We are at the airport, just boarding, goodbye India”. His husband then joked about the lengthy 10-hour flight.

In another clip shared to social media, they described their trip as a “magical experience” and promised to share a vlog with their followers of their “mind blowing things”.

“We really have been on quite a journey and then just spending the last night here in this most amazing hotel, we’ve just had the most delicious Thali food. It was the perfect way to round up the trip,” Jamie said.

The couple, from London, were due to return home on the Air India flight after a 10-day wellness retreat, Jamie Meek’s brother said.

Nick Meek, a caretaker from Birmingham, said: “We were expecting him home tonight. He should have landed at 6.30pm and then driven up for about 11 to get his dog who is staying with our Mum.

“She is not in a good way. It is all very raw for her at the moment. It’s a lot to take in and we only heard this news a couple of hours ago.”

Jamie had appeared on BBC One reality contest Dance X. Hosted by Ben Shephard, the series saw two teams of male and female dancers compete to form a new dance group under the guidance of Arlene Phillips and Bruno Tonioli.

Meanwhile, a prayer meeting for victims is expected to take place at 4.30pm on Monday in Harrow, northwest London where nearly half of England’s Gujarati-speakers live.

The event, at the International Siddhashram Shakti Centre, will bring together members of the close-knit community, which has been devastated by news of the incident in Ahmedabad, for the first time since the news broke.

Krishna Pujara, vice-president of the National Council for Gujarati Organisations in the UK said: “It’s a very, very sad day. We have been doing our best to try to help everybody and see what we can do to help. On a dark day for the community we stand in unity with the families of the victims - may they find strength and peace.

“There is a prayer meeting this afternoon in Harrow and we will be meeting tonight so we can get all the community faith organisations and the wider Indian diaspora together to help, we have been contacted by a number of relatives and we are dealing with Foreign Office in terms of seeing what we can do to help them.

“We are communicating with Gujarat to see if we can help find answers for them and the Indian High Commission. It’s a tragedy for the community. Gujaratis are a very close knit community.”

[Ammi]

…’goodbye India…’…just so haunting/so poignant…

[Nicky91]

Captain Sabharwal had 8,200 hours of flying experience, while First Officer Kundar had logged 1,100 flight hours

Captain Sumeet Sabharwal was a highly experienced pilot with 8,200 flight hours. He was known for his calm demeanor and professionalism, earning deep respect in the aviation community2. Sabharwal had been flying for nearly three decades and was preparing to retire soon. He had recently told his 82-year-old father, a former aviation official, that he planned to quit his job to care for him full-time

First Officer Clive Kundar, on the other hand, was just beginning his aviation career. He had 1,100 flight hours and had trained at Paris Air Inc., a Florida-based flight school. Kundar came from a family with strong aviation ties—his mother was part of a flight crew, and he initially studied aircraft maintenance before becoming a pilot2. Friends described him as a good-natured man who loved sports

information about the pilots


i don't think this was pilot error, two highly trained and very professional pilots, the captain even was a instructor as well


and as for the flaps overlooked due to a delay, there almost was no delay, maybe just 5 minutes, thats not a problem at all



might be a mechanical failure or hydraulical, considering the survivor also saying ''he heard a loud bang and then everything turned to chaos in no time''

[Ammi]

New CCTV footage shows Air India plane's take-off and crash


New CCTV footage has emerged showing an Air India flight bound for London Gatwick crashing and bursting into flames just moments after take-off.

More than 200 people - including 53 British nationals - were on board Flight AI171 to London Gatwick. It was earlier reported that all on board had died, but Sky News has since confirmed that a British man survived.

The video shows the aircraft taking off from Ahmedabad Airport in the northwestern Indian state of Gujarat.

But just seconds after the plane is airborne, it can be see struggling to gain altitude and instead begins descending towards buildings, with its wheels still out and its nose raised.

A huge explosion can be seen followed by thick black plumes of smoke rising into the skies.


…the CCTV vid is in the link…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/moments-ai...111800986.html

[Ammi]

…I could never imagine how it would have been for those there watching it unfold in real time …it felt as though it was all ascending perfectly and in a split second, it wasn’t anymore…and then it’s direction was downwards…all incredibly harrowing for those watching helplessly…

[Nicky91]

omg, the aircraft stalled

[Nicky91]

reports indicate that Air India Flight 171's pilots may have been affected by fatigue and demanding schedules. Concerns over crew exhaustion had already been raised in the past, with Air India facing penalties for violating flight duty time limits

could've been a contributing factor, but how fatigued were they actually


every pilot is allowed to fly a certain amount of hours, as long as you also have the right amount of sleeping hours, 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep


were these pilots too fatigued, they overlooked setting the flaps to the correct setting

[rusticgal]

Many years ago a British Airways aircraft stalled after take off crashing near the staines reservoir. One person initially survived but then died at the scene. It literally dropped to the ground. This was back in the 70's.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Many years ago a British Airways aircraft stalled after take off crashing near the staines reservoir. One person initially survived but then died at the scene. It literally dropped to the ground. This was back in the 70's.

…I’m just reading about that now, it was a flight to Brussels and initially there were two survivors…(…which strangely was reported with this incident as well but then the report became one again…)…but both as you say, died of their injuries later…the Staines plane apparently suffered a ‘deep stall’ which is a phrase I’ve read as being an early speculation with this aircraft also…

[Cherie]

It is unlikely to be a pilot error given they issued a Mayday call, if they made an error they would have corrected it, it happened too fast, given was the passengers on the previous flight on the same plane said about the air con not working I think its likely mechanical failure and lack of checks on the ground

[arista]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

There’s more chance of dying that way than flying.

Rubbish
He will be safe in a coach.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It is unlikely to be a pilot error given they issued a Mayday call, if they made an error they would have corrected it, it happened too fast, given was the passengers on the previous flight on the same plane said about the air con not working I think its likely mechanical failure and lack of checks on the ground

Yes
It's a Company
known for cutting back when working on new planes.

Also Yes,
Sometimes checks are rushed

[arista]

Never Use Air India
could be a result of all this.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by arista

Rubbish
He will be safe in a coach.

It’s not rubbish. There’s more chance of dying on the roads than flying.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

It’s not rubbish. There’s more chance of dying on the roads than flying.

Not in a Coach

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by arista

Not in a Coach

Yes. Not sure if you’ve ever looked at statistics before