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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-to-reform-uk
[The former Conservative party chair Sir Jake Berry has joined Reform UK in the most high-profile defection so far to Nigel Farage’s party from the Tories. In a fresh blow to Kemi Badenoch, the former cabinet minister said his former party had “abandoned the British people” and said he wanted to see Reform UK form the next government. Berry, a close ally of Liz Truss and Boris Johnson, led the “northern powerhouse” group of MPs but lost his seat at the 2024 election. He said the Conservatives and Labour had “wrecked” the country over the past 20 years.] Last edited by arista; 10-07-2025 at 11:58 AM. |
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Isn't Reform just going to develop the same problems that the Tories currently have?
After all these people were apart of that party that ran this country to the ground.
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The way they are going they could replace the Conservatives. Their Leader, Kemi, is the problem |
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Another Conservative has joined Reform UK
David Jones in Wales [Former Conservative cabinet minister and MP David Jones has joined Reform UK. Jones, who stepped down as a Conservative MP ahead of last year's election, said he had become "disillusioned" by his old party and that only Reform was "demonstrating the determination needed to tackle the country's many problems". The former Welsh Secretary added that he would not seek elected office for Reform but would "give the party my full support in the elections ahead". He becomes the third former Tory MP to join Nigel Farage's party in the last two weeks, following Ross Thomson and Anne Marie Morris.] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93kwk00gkgo Last edited by arista; 10-07-2025 at 11:59 AM. |
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The party that’s apparently going to ‘save’ the country, filling up with the very people who helped bring it to its knees, you’ve got to laugh
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And they were still an abomination back then.
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Exactly! More people need to look at the direction Reform is going in, it isn't the "progress" that these people were originally hoping for.
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Boris got rid of everyone in the traditional conservative party in 2019. At that election, it was basically ukip people that were elected mp's, so the tory party became ukip. Now we have people that lost their seats under the "ukip" intake going to reform. That's a big surprise isnt it
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Had Sunak and Starmer had the best interests of the British people at heart there would be no need for Reform. Still the boats come, still the illegals come in ever increasing numbers and still we're spending billions on them. It cannot go on. People see that but no one else is addressing people's concerns and this is why Reform will win the next general election.
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How exactly are Reform going to stop the boats? Anyone know?
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How?
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I asked how exactly. What policies so they have?
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Oh so you don’t know then. Seems a little vague no? I couldn’t imagine voting a government in on terms like that.
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It's a bit much you expect me to have all the answers to hand. France don't treat these people like we do, why aren't you more upset about that? They leave them in their tent cities to fend for themselves.
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You cant name a single Reform policy on stopping the boats, but you’re happy to vote them in and hope for the best—then when questioned, you point at a different country like that somehow justifies it. We should be holding ourselves to a higher standard, not saying, “Well, they’re worse!” That’s not policy. That’s playground politics. If Reform’s pitch is “we’re slightly less heartless than France,” it’s no wonder you’ve got nothing solid to back them up with.
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The legal refugees we take are mostly families. I have no problem with that, we must all take our fair share, although, like I said, Australia takes a lot less than we do despite having so much more room... But you know that. Japan, for instance, takes none at all... Perhaps you should start a campaign against their immigration laws. |
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Japan has a plunging birth rate, an ageing population, and a work culture that burns people out by 40, so I’m not exactly rushing to hold them up as a moral blueprint either. Unless you’re also in favour of that level of national stagnation? The UK’s asylum system isn’t failing because we’re too kind. It’s failing because we’ve let decade after decade of hostile policy, mismanagement, and soundbite politics gut it from the inside. We’ve let people with no interest in fairness, humanity, or functionality turn refugees into political footballs, and now we’re shocked it’s broken? So no, I won’t be starting a campaign against Japan. I’ll stick to trying to hold my own country to a higher standard than “well, someone else is worse.” That’s called accountability. You might want to give it a go sometime.
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