[arista]

Labour trying to stay in power.


https://news.sky.com/story/16-and-17...ction-13397859


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rthern-ireland

[Liam-]

No, they’re trying to give an age range that should have a say in their future the right to have that say, if anything, this would just get more votes for the actual left wing parties so it’s not really beneficial to Labour at all

[Livia]

LoL.... Just remembering how stupid I was at 16, how stupid most people are at 16! A desperate ploy by Starmer.

[arista]

[The voting age will be lowered to 16 in England
and Northern Ireland by the next general election
in a major change of the democratic system.

The government said it was a reform
to bring in more fairness for 16- and 17-year-olds,
many of whom already work
and are able to serve in the military.
It brings the whole of the UK voting age to 16,
as Scotland and Wales have already
made the change.]


Yes, now the whole of the UK
in the next General Election.

Helping Labour stay in power

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

LoL.... Just remembering how stupid I was at 16, how stupid most people are at 16! A desperate ploy by Starmer.

Maybe don’t judge everyone by your standards?

[Crimson Dynamo]

ridiculous

desperate by Labour

[Cherie]

Its the only way they can hang on to power, given they have alienated anyone who works and is over 30

[BBXX]

This is great - if you're old enough to serve in the military you're old enough to vote.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

This is great - if you're old enough to serve in the military you're old enough to vote.

Got to agree with this

[Livia]

16 year olds, while being able to serve in the military, are not allowed on active service until they are 18.

[BBXX]

I don't see that as relevant. They're contributing to the running of the British Army and are committing to training.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

This is great - if you're old enough to serve in the military you're old enough to vote.

lol

16 year olds need parental consent to join


will they need to ask their mum to vote labour too?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

lol

16 year olds need parental consent to join


will they need to ask their mum to vote labour too?

Oh, we're not letting facts get in the way today lol....

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

lol

16 year olds need parental consent to join


will they need to ask their mum to vote labour too?

You're right, but I still don't see the relevance, personally. They still can join and work and earn tax. Why shouldn't they have a say in the future? They have far more at stake than a 90 year old who won't be around to see the changes their vote might inflict.

Is there really such a huge difference between a 16 and 18 year old when it comes to political knowledge? I would hazard a guess the way most people will vote at 18 will be the same as 16.

The stats show 73% of of 18-24 year olds intend to vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. Most 16 year olds will vote in line with the above, and therefore their maturity, or political education, or whatever it is you're pretending is an issue won't make much of a difference to their voting, whether they vote at 16 or at 24.

I would guess it's not the maturity of 16 year olds that bothers you, it's the additional numbers it will add to the above three parties.

[Livia]

LOL... "The stats show..." .

[Cherie]

I recall people bending over backwards to defend BB Trish when she was hauled over the coals for comments made in her early 20s......your brain doesn't develop fully until 25 they screeched

Given all these 16 years old are apparently going to be thinking about their future its a shame more 18 years olds didnt think of their futures when the Brexit referendum was called we might not be where we are now

[Livia]

Yeah, I remember the Brexit outrage on here from people who didn't bother to vote.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its the only way they can hang on to power, given they have alienated anyone who works and is over 30

Yes looks that way.

[BBXX]

Mocking the phrase 'the stats show' without researching the stats first...

[bots]

i do think that ages need to be equalised like working, getting married and voting.

In the past i would have said its to favour labour, but I don't think that applies anymore, so it wont have the impact that labour were expecting when they first planned it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Mocking the phrase 'the stats show' without researching the stats first...

Using the term "the stats show" without showing the stats.

Using the term "the stats show" in an attempt to reinforce your point, then expecting others to provide those stats to prove your point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

i do think that ages need to be equalised like working, getting married and voting.

In the past i would have said its to favour labour, but I don't think that applies anymore, so it wont have the impact that labour were expecting when they first planned it

who will they vote for (if at all)

the batsh1t greens or crazy extreme lib dems?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I recall people bending over backwards to defend BB Trish when she was hauled over the coals for comments made in her early 20s......your brain doesn't develop fully until 25 they screeched

Given all these 16 years old are apparently going to be thinking about their future its a shame more 18 years olds didnt think of their futures when the Brexit referendum was called we might not be where we are now

Not voting is not the same as voting. I would have thought when I refer to how 16 year olds are likely to vote I'm talking about the 16 year olds who are voting, not the ones who don't...

I personally didn't defend Trish, but I think there is a difference between acknowledging someone young ****ed up and suggesting young people should have the right to vote.

Older people **** up too. There are plenty of uneducated idiotic people in every age bracket. Voting isn't based on intelligence level or emotional maturity, really. I personally don't care how 16 years intend to vote, I just think they should be able to.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

who will they vote for (if at all)

the batsh1t greens or crazy extreme lib dems?

if Corbyn's party is around, they may vote for it, they may also vote for reform. A lot of young people voted for Trump in the USA

[Livia]

If 16 years is now the age of an adult capable of voting, looking forward to 16 year olds being tried as adults, given no anonymity and sent to big boy prison.