[Maru]

Queer militia. Surveillance video. And the world's darkest chatroom. The plotters who KNEW about the Charlie Kirk assassination plan
S: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ender-fbi.html

The FBI believes there were clear warning signs before the shooting of Charlie Kirk and are probing people in his orbit who may have had prior knowledge of it.

Investigators are delving into the transgender and gaming subcultures in Utah and scouring social media accounts after the discovery of a series of posts that appeared to reflect some awareness of suspected gunman Tyler Robinson and his alleged plot.

'There appear to have been multiple warning signs,' FBI assistant Director Dan Bongino said.

He said 'people in Robinson's network' were aware he had become 'infected' by far-left ideology and 'that his target was obviously going to be Charlie, and that people knew in advance.

Bongino added: 'The question is...did they know? Were they sure of this? Or did they hear this and just write it off? That's what we're going to have to find out.'

Robinson, 22, had a circle of friends from high school who interacted on gaming forums including Steam and Discord.

The litany of suspicious social media posts FBI agents will have to assess, many of which were deleted shortly after the shooting on September 10, also encompasses X and TikTok.

One user called churbum75m, who seemingly followed a friend of Robinson's on TikTok, posted on X straight after the shooting: 'WE *******ING DID IT.'

Robinson was arrested late Thursday evening and the FBI is investigating whether anyone else had prior knowledge of the attack amid a litany of warning signs

FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino is investigating if 'people knew in advance' about the assassination of Charlie Kirk

Also on TikTok, a video was apparently posted the day before the shooting, showing what appeared to be a morgue technician with eerie music playing.

It said: 'charles james kirk. mr. college dropout does NOT know what's coming tomorrow. be ready…This isn't a threat it's a promise.'

The video went on: 'it's a BADDD day to be charlie [tomorrow]'.

An X post a week before the assassination said: 'itd be funny if someone like charlie kirk got shot on september 10th LMAO.''

One user called @NajraGalvz, who identified as non-binary, wrote on X the day before the assassination: 'Charlie kirk is coming to my college tomorrow i rlly hope someone evaporates him literally.'

In the hours after that shooting that user wrote: 'CHARLIE KIRK GOT SHOT BRO I PROMISE I DIDNT HSVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.'

Another set of posts that may form part of the investigation is one made after the shooting and release of surveillance pictures of the suspect, but before he was caught.

'Hey, I know that guy - it's my buddy Tyler!' the user wrote. 'Unfortunately they have the wrong dude. Tyler was at my house all day yesterday playing video games.'

It was not possible to verify whether that post was real, but investigators are likely to look at it.

Messages sent on the Discord platform after the surveillance images of Robinson were released included one from an acquaintance asking where he was, along with a skull icon.

Robinson replied: 'my doppelganger is trying to get me in trouble.'

A map shows where Tyler Robinson shot from

Then, two hours before turning himself in, the suspect appeared to confess to a small group of friends in a chat on Discord, which is popular with gamers.

A message from Robinson's account said: 'Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. 'It was me at UVU (Utah Valley University) yesterday. im sorry for all of this.'

Discord is understood to be cooperating with the FBI.

Meanwhile, they are also looking into local groups and networks where Robinson could have been known.

That includes a group called Armed Queers Salt Lake City which deleted its Instagram account after the shooting, the New York Post reported.

The 'socialist queer organization' emerged in the summer of 2020 and provides 'defense to community members threatened by right-wing vigilantes and state violence.'

There is no known connection between Robinson and the group.

[Maru]

Just interesting from a culty perspective what some of these people believe in:..



This is their linktree (the above picture) that was scrubbed:
https://linktr.ee/armedqueersslc


Militias are technically not illegal in the US, but it does test the limits of 2A (and is very controversial in the modern era).

Historically, States and their communities relied on civilian militias to defend themselves in emergencies (before a national army could be called). It's hard to say how it would work now, but I believe the President still at least has some authority to call up these groups...

Protecting you from carpal tunnel:

Spoiler:

Today, more militias focus on the anti-tyranny parts of 2A for the obvious that allow them to organize (if needed) for the purposes of stopping our own govt if it goes tyrannical and less for invasions from foreign forces. The typical ones are often are just formed groups of veterans or other volunteers who still connect to continue to serve their nation or whom are just interested in keeping a time-honored tradition alive.

It is illegal obviously to act as a terrorist organization and start assassinating people, so that's going to be interesting to see how the govt handles that aspect if it plays out there is a strong enough link to Antifa, then maybe Antifa is labeled a terrorist organization. (I doubt it.)

A good article about militias re:attempted abduction of MI Governor Gretchen Whitmer (Democrat)... and it gives a really good introduction to how they behave under the terrorist context in the modern age:

Between militia and terrorism (2020)
https://www.mininggazette.com/news/f...and-terrorism/

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A bigger tipping point for separation here is the exploitation of the internet used by domestic terrorists. Bjelopera said, “Domestic terrorists–much like their jihadist analogues–are often Internet and social-media savvy and use such platforms to share ideas and as resources for their operations.”

The group that planned to abduct Gov. Whitmer were organizing through social media groups and used coded messages, which the FBI had to infiltrate and crack.

The article continued, The FBI charged six individuals with plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. The state’s attorney general charged seven others with threatening public officials and supporting plans for terrorist acts.”

That's a lot of people.

The subjects involved in the kidnapping plot had been planning since June, one plan involving some “200 militia members who would storm the state capitol, attack law enforcement, and take the governor hostage,” the NJOHSP intelligence note said

On fbi.gov, “Domestic Terrorism: Focus on Militia Extremism” from Sept. 22, 2011, “Last March, nine members of an extremist militia group were charged in Michigan with seditious conspiracy and attempted use of mass destruction in connection with an alleged plot to attack law enforcement and spark an uprising against the government,” a situation similar to the current case.

The article explained, “It’s just one example of the dangers posed by so-called militia extremists–the latest topic in our series to educate the nation on domestic terror threats that the FBI investigates today.

See, the FBI isn't completely useless..


It's believed by some that the Democrats are poking the bear with rhetoric because by insinuating that there are interests "waiting in the wings" to take hold in the US, maybe by planting that seed regularly, one or two of these militias get a wild idea and that will help them out politically with carving more away from the Constitution, including 2A.

Militia groups that would be considered right wing often appear at protests especially where groups like Antifa are meant to be active. A lot of drama happens at the protests just because of the groups doing different things to get the other to overreact (and maybe get arrested).

Fun fact: Some biker gangs are part of these militia groups. (Though they're usually called something else)

Edited to add:

When The Gang-bangers Are White Guys
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...are-white-guys

These biker gangs have a long history in organized crime. They began with restless, traumatized veterans returning home after World War II. Today, biker gangs still act as a sort of private militia that police can’t always control, patrolling festivals and other events. Why don’t we pay more attention to them?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why would you be proud of your community being under represented in murdering innocents, just bizarre, they are a small subsection of society but are still represented ...

I’m not sure if you’re trolling or if you don’t understand stats.

It’s irrelevant about actual numbers of people when talking about percentages.

Around 0.5% of the population are trans which means you would expect around 0.5% of shooters to be trans because that would make sense. The stats show that actually when looking at the demographic and the percentage on shooters per capita that a trans person is LESS LIKELY to be a mass shooter.

These stats are saying the literal opposite of what CD is suggesting (that it’s common for a mass shooter to be trans) and what you said (that they are involved in mass shootings frequently even though they are a small number of people).

What you’re saying is not factually correct. The number of trans people involved in mass shootings in percentage terms is less than why society would expect.

I don’t really know how to explain this any other way but in layman’s terms: the suggestion mass shootings are a trans issue or that it’s common for mass shooters to be trans in factually incorrect. It’s the opposite.

To move the subject away for a second to give another content - but it's like when we say men make up 49% of the population in the U.S but 80% of the suicides, and women make up around 50.5% of the population but around 70-75% of victims of domestic abuse are women. These stats show that men are disproportionately affected by suicide and women by domestic violence compared to their population shares. Society then knows there is an issue there and focuses accordingly.

So, when I share that trans people are committing mass shootings at a lower rate in comparison to their population share, that means there isn't an issue and it doesn't need focussing on. It's happening less than the benchmark. And when I share that in response to posts that are trying to say otherwise, it's not about being proud, it's about utilising facts and evidence based statistics to disprove a rhetoric based on an agenda.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

what we should be aiming for is free speech with civility. It is civility that bounds the extremities of free speech, not supression.

With social media and closed bubble social groups, it's impossible to stop people saying what they want to. They have tried to remove anonimity to make people accountable, but that will be bypassed as more and more people are prosecuted for their online words. It's obvious where it's all heading and yet no-one does anything positive to increase civility on the major platforms

…online and social media type sites..(…and also mainstream media’s…)…are not civility designed though, are they…it’s all become a war of words and some are believing in their own online hype in how far they can go and what isn’t being aimed for is civility…it’s strange times atm because it’s evolving so quickly into ‘new territory’ …within their own home and on their own keyboard or phone or whatever, a voice can reach and influence so many people and sadly, that’s not to create civility…it’s kind of the opposite of that …online/social media wars have evolved so much from being more personal clashes to becoming more en masse and into real life actions…and no one does anything to increase civility…?..no because it all fits well into diverting from the flaws and failings in our governments…

[Ammi]

…just after Charlie Kirk’s killing, it was being discussed in the radio and I only switched it on to hear a little part of it so don’t know who the speaker was, only that they were American…what they were saying was that many things can be true and are true in terms of ‘Democrat/Republic’ mindsets and behaviour etc in terms of belief systems and mindsets…and they often are just different ends of the same thing…but sadly, it’s not the many things that are all true at once that are being focused on so much as picking out the bits that can be manipulated into fitting into agenda driven goals…and it gets believed because it’s not so much fake news completely as just in accurate and plucked out and out of context to fit… and then it’s shared and shared and shared and shared etc…but the thing being lost is that it’ll never become accurate truth no matter how many shares…it’s still only a small manipulated piece of something that’s become very dangerous and even, deadly in some cases…

[Beso]

An awful lot of young folk doing these mass shootings.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bots

what we should be aiming for is free speech with civility. It is civility that bounds the extremities of free speech, not supression.

With social media and closed bubble social groups, it's impossible to stop people saying what they want to. They have tried to remove anonimity to make people accountable, but that will be bypassed as more and more people are prosecuted for their online words. It's obvious where it's all heading and yet no-one does anything positive to increase civility on the major platforms

That’s an impossible goal at this point because too many leaders, be it in tech or politics and in the media earn far too much money and power by stoking the division and hatred, it’s become a viable income to create hostility and anger within the population, until that’s put a stop to, it’s only going to get worse

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That’s an impossible goal at this point because too many leaders, be it in tech or politics and in the media earn far too much money and power by stoking the division and hatred, it’s become a viable income to create hostility and anger within the population, until that’s put a stop to, it’s only going to get worse

…I think that it’s a ‘game’ of many parts and layers…yes, it’s poked and prodded and slanted to keep that divide flame burning as distractingly as possible…but it’s also online personas and what it’s become and becoming…its a bit like The Running Man/type thing and similar of ‘talk violence’ becoming more and more real and enacted …which just to me says that as a humankind…?..we’re all becoming more and more desensitised to the value of human life…because of online content in general, ‘shock’ is just lessening…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That’s an impossible goal at this point because too many leaders, be it in tech or politics and in the media earn far too much money and power by stoking the division and hatred, it’s become a viable income to create hostility and anger within the population, until that’s put a stop to, it’s only going to get worse

…I mean it’s all an impossible goal, surely…because of the media’s we have now and the power of ‘collective outrages’ I guess we could call it…but to varying degrees, we’re all part of it and that impossibility…

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fundamental difference between left and right "cancellation" explained in a short video

If you dont get it, sadly you are part of the problem

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1967725854303326688

[BBXX]

I don't agree with people celebrating his death, but if Matt Walsh is advocating for people to be fired for hateful language not rooted in objective truth, which I think is fair, why was he okay with Charlie Kirk making a career out of saying hateful things that weren't rooted in objective truth?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video