[Christmas Dynasnow]

[Rustic bauble]

He isn't proving anything to me. If you are a nice person its irrelevant whether you are Trans or not..

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He isn't proving anything to me. If you are a nice person its irrelevant whether you are Trans or not..

I think she is drunk when she made that video

[Cherry Christmas]

what she got on her head

[Abra]

You're so obsessed with trans people

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Abra

You're so obsessed with trans people

If he hadn’t said anything would anyone be any the wiser ?

I just see him as a bloke , a very nice bloke as well


I admit to struggling somewhat when its the other way around as very few seem to be able to look and sound convincingly female/ feminine


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[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what she got on her head

I think its a hoover bag for a Henry

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Zizu

If he hadn’t said anything would anyone be any the wiser ?

I just see him as a bloke , a very nice bloke as well


I admit to struggling somewhat when its the other way around as very few seem to be able to look and sound convincingly female/ feminine


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Probably not but I don't really understand why talking about it is so triggering for some people (not you).

And yes, it's definitely harder for trans women to pass if they have already gone through male puberty. Having said that, a lot of trans women look far more feminine than you might think. It's likely that you've seen a trans woman many times and just had no idea she was trans.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Abra

You're so obsessed with trans people

well, everytime he is shown in the highlights he is talking about being trans, so it's impossible for anyone to be allowed to forget it

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by bots

well, everytime he is shown in the highlights he is talking about being trans, so it's impossible for anyone to be allowed to forget it

I really hope he doesn't make it his whole personality, he seems to be slowly telling each housemate bit by bit his journey.

He should have just done what Haley did and told the whole house. But I know he's a more reserved housemate to Hailey. And I know it was when he felt more comfortable.

But seeing him have a little joke with BB about going over the shopping budget,gave me hope . I want to see more of this Zelah just relaxing and smiling and having a laugh .

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I really hope he doesn't make it his whole personality, he seems to be slowly telling each housemate bit by bit his journey.

He should have just done what Haley did and told the whole house. But I know he's a more reserved housemate to Hailey. And I know it was when he felt more comfortable.

But seeing him have a little joke with BB about going over the shopping budget,gave me hope . I want to see more of this Zelah just relaxing and smiling and having a laugh .

Well we can hope there is more to him...but he seems to just want to be the good guy and keep everyone sweet. Nothing wrong with being a good guy...but it can make for dull viewing.

[Parmy]

I hope he gets of with Sam. To prove lesbians can transition into homosexual males.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

You're so obsessed with trans people

*Housemate talks continuously about being trans and makes it their core personality*

Abra if you mention it as a watcher of the show: "you are so obsessed!"

Honestly, if he just **** about it for an episode we wouldn't even mention it.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Beso

I hope he gets of with Sam. To prove lesbians can transition into homosexual males.

Wait, if he was a confirmed lesbian why would a gender change and some cosmetic surgery/ treatments mean that he now prefers or is into men?

I don't understand.

I also don't understand why this is important to prove?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He isn't proving anything to me. If you are a nice person its irrelevant whether you are Trans or not..

This.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Abra

You're so obsessed with trans people

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Wait, if he was a confirmed lesbian why would a gender change and some cosmetic surgery/ treatments mean that he now prefers or is into men?

I don't understand.

I also don't understand why this is important to prove?

I'm glad that it weren't just me wondering.

[thesheriff443]

We’ have already had two trans winners of this show
One male to female and one female to male
Viewers are more aware than ever of the trans community so it’s not the omg moment anyone
The viewers want more than a trans story, they want to see all sides of a housemates

As I’ve said I’m not watching this series and that’s telling because I’ve been watching from the beginning and been through the audition process over the years and seen the changes the show is so watered down and virtually scripted

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Wait, if he was a confirmed lesbian why would a gender change and some cosmetic surgery/ treatments mean that he now prefers or is into men?

I don't understand.

I also don't understand why this is important to prove?

Well his lesbian girlfriend managed something close without any surgery. For me it's the final boss of gender change, lesbian turns into gay man. Let it happen.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I have noticed preachy therapy/empathy-driven HMs seem to do better in ITVs BB than not. So I think to some degree Zelah is just being incredibly smart by opening up the Help Center so once they are out he can get some nice articles written about them later on. If not, that goes away with some time but right now it's being put on so thick I can see it being gameplay either to win or profit.

I know the joke that it is the trans stuff that is annoying but I don't really think it's actually that most of the time. If you really want to piss off a whole lot of people, just use most of your time to insert yourself in little ways so as to slowly become the group preacher/solicitor, obnoxiously educating to others on compassion, empathy and morality, etc.

Most people can't stand preachy personalities (unless they agree with them lol).

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Beso

Well his lesbian girlfriend managed something close without any surgery. For me it's the final boss of gender change, lesbian turns into gay man. Let it happen.

well, his GF may have been bi, we don't know. She might still see him as the girl he was, we don't know her so can't say.


Final boss though? Is this a computer game to be won?

[Abra]

Originally Posted by bots

well, everytime he is shown in the highlights he is talking about being trans, so it's impossible for anyone to be allowed to forget it

Similar to how every time George is on screen he's whining on about how too "woke" the world is and how evil lefties are to blame for everything or whatever.

The series has been pretty balanced so far imo

And in fairness to Zelah, it is early days in the show and he is opening up to people.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

*Housemate talks continuously about being trans and makes it their core personality*

Abra if you mention it as a watcher of the show: "you are so obsessed!"

Honestly, if he just **** about it for an episode we wouldn't even mention it.

I'm not just talking about Zelah. That user definitely has a very specific interest and fixation on the trans topic, it's just something that is noticeable.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

I'm not just talking about Zelah. That user definitely has a very specific interest and fixation on the trans topic, it's just something that is noticeable.

Ok, that's fair, but what I will say is that BB work super hard to make it noticeable so people just... Notice.

I would love a show where it wasn't even promoted or discussed and just taken as normal.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Ok, that's fair, but what I will say is that BB work super hard to make it noticeable so people just... Notice.

I would love a show where it wasn't even promoted or discussed and just taken as normal.

Not directing this at you, but it's just funny to me how the right wing spend their time being utterly obsessed with trans people and never stop banging on about them and then as soon as trans people themselves speak about themselves they go "stop talking about it!".

People aren't bothered about trans issues being discussed. They are bothered when trans people have a seat at the table to join in the conversation. Maybe they are worried that if their voices are heard then their demonisation doesn't work anymore.

In fairness to Zelah, he isn't the only one who is talking identify politics. How many times do we need to hear George going on about how much he hates the left because of female pop stars or because of the misinformation he's heard about refugees or whatever it is this time? That has essentially been George's entire personality so far.