[Redway]

Okay, this is unrelated - https://youtube.com/shorts/DLfXz-04b...bB5Fvb5uCNbHvR - but fam. Big Brother really weren’t capping last year. This year has none of that energy.

[Masterchief117]

Originally Posted by Redway

Honestly, Mel was so unwatchable under Yorke-2.0 and Oates that I wasn’t too bothered when she died, but I get what you mean.
What happened to Pat was just the worst. She asked for nothing more than a break and Kirkwood took that as his cue to kill her off. He floats in and around the show now as a surprisingly decent writer (who’s seemed to pause on the toxic shade of self-destruction Kat floated around when he was E.P.) but as executive producer? Couldn’t stand him.

And yes. Paul Trueman was a g.

But imagine a world where Steve, Mel and Hunter returned together, with good writers. Could have been incredible. And I know what happened with Pam, it sucks. They did the same with Ronnie and Roxy. Absolutely terrible decision. Pat was the best female character in soap, and we could have had a another decade plus of her, and right after Peggy died they killed off R&R, who were the future of the Mitchell's. Now we're stuck with Teddy Mitchell and Ben 9.0 or whatever.

Also, Kat's been pretty terrible most of the time since her return in 2010 or whatever it was, and Zoe has been HORRIBLE since her return.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Masterchief117

But imagine a world where Steve, Mel and Hunter returned together, with good writers. Could have been incredible. And I know what happened with Pam, it sucks. They did the same with Ronnie and Roxy. Absolutely terrible decision. Pat was the best female character in soap, and we could have had a another decade plus of her, and right after Peggy died they killed off R&R, who were the future of the Mitchell's. Now we're stuck with Teddy Mitchell and Ben 9.0 or whatever.

Also, Kat's been pretty terrible most of the time since her return in 2010 or whatever it was, and Zoe has been HORRIBLE since her return.

I personally think Kat’s improved a lot since 2018 but don’t even get me started on Zoe, man. Honestly. The first E.P. in two decades to get Zoe (whose actress swore she’d never come back) back and this is the material she gets? She wasn’t always particularly likeable first-time-around (although she had her moments, especially in 2001 and ’05) but her characterisation this time around has been utterly wretched. No redeeming features whatsoever. Ben Wadey really needs to go. He’s too green in the game and lacks the seasoning and experience needed to steer what’s traditionally the BBC’s flagship-soap. He ain’t got it, whatsoever. He’s just another Kirkwood but less experienced in a way that actually counts or means anything with regard to EE, and everyone between the hardcore (Digital Spy/Walford Web mandem) and casual/Facebook fans seems to agree. No-one likes what he’s doing, or the way he’s handled Zoe. It’s good to have her back but where’s the cohesive plan? What’s she actually going to be doing besides chasing after a cat and telling blatantly obvious lies about the paternity of her son? Where are we actually going with this?

[Masterchief117]

Originally Posted by Redway

I personally think Kat’s improved a lot since 2018 but don’t even get me started on Zoe, man. Honestly. The first E.P. in two decades to get Zoe (whose actress swore she’d never come back) back and this is the material she gets? She wasn’t always particularly likeable first-time-around (although she had her moments, especially in 2001 and ’05) but her characterisation this time around has been utterly wretched. No redeeming features whatsoever. Ben Wadey really needs to go. He’s too green in the game and lacks the seasoning and experience needed to steer what’s traditionally the BBC’s flagship-soap. He ain’t got it, whatsoever. He’s just another Kirkwood but less experienced in a way that actually counts or means anything with regard to EE, and everyone between the hardcore (Digital Spy/Walford Web mandem) and casual/Facebook fans seems to agree. No-one likes what he’s doing, or the way he’s handled Zoe. It’s good to have her back but where’s the cohesive plan? What’s she actually going to be doing besides chasing after a cat and telling blatantly obvious lies about the paternity of her son? Where are we actually going with this?

Every Zoe scene is terrible. Could be even worse though, it could be Coronation Street. That show barely even resembles what it used to be.