[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynasnow

Graham Linehan 🎗️
@Glinner
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Stoke-on Trent police endangering the life of a troubled man by asking the
public to look out for a woman

They reckon that Mary might have travelled to London before going missing.

It sadly doesn't look good either as she's been missing since September. And by the time this article had come out she had been missing for 2 or 3 days by the time that this article had been made.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news...-find-10544916

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

This will never happen, you are hysterical and dreaming up scenarios that will never happen, predators never take advantage of loopholes, Terf, bigot etc etc etc , as usual its women and girls who take the brunt

When people say “it never happens” they don’t actually mean it NEVER happens they are basically saying when it accounts for 0.45% of all rapes and/or sexual assaults that efforts are being concentrated in the wrong place.

Because that’s what this equates to. Less than one half of one percent.

So when people question why it’s such a big part of national conversation when there are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threats to women going ignored and say things like “why are we concentrating on this when when it doesn’t really happen” that’s them taking it in full context and that’s what they mean.

It’s like trying to kill an ant because you don’t want it in your house when there is a lion in the kitchen. And what’s worse is that a lot of the time it’s the lion that is telling you it’s the ant that is the problem...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Janet Murray
@jan_murray

Well done to @Trashalou for getting the police to remove this appalling “Arm trans kids” banner at today’s puberty-blocker trial protest.

I managed to capture the moment on video.

The message is disturbing at any time - but calling for vulnerable young people
to be given guns, just three days after 15 Jews were shot dead on Bondi Beach,
is beyond grotesque. No words.

Disturbing video is here: https://x.com/jan_murray/status/2001...364603524?s=20

[Livia]

There are plenty of "trans kids" who have armed themselves and then killed innocents. These people really are stupid.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Maybe you’d prefer them just to kill themselves instead.

No one is arming trans kids. Calm down

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

When people say “it never happens” they don’t actually mean it NEVER happens they are basically saying when it accounts for 0.45% of all rapes and/or sexual assaults that efforts are being concentrated in the wrong place.

Because that’s what this equates to. Less than one half of one percent.

So when people question why it’s such a big part of national conversation when there are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threats to women going ignored and say things like “why are we concentrating on this when when it doesn’t really happen” that’s them taking it in full context and that’s what they mean.

It’s like trying to kill an ant because you don’t want it in your house when there is a lion in the kitchen. And what’s worse is that a lot of the time it’s the lion that is telling you it’s the ant that is the problem...

The transphobes do not have the critical thinking to see this.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are plenty of "trans kids" who have armed themselves and then killed innocents. These people really are stupid.

• United States: Transgender individuals are estimated to have committed well under 1% of mass shooting incidents in major datasets.
  
• United Kingdom: There are no known mass shootings attributed to transgender individuals in existing records.
  
• Gun Violence Archive (GVA): Out of thousands of mass shootings (defined as incidents in which four or more people are shot, not including the shooter) since 2013, only around 5–8 were confirmed to involve transgender or nonbinary shooters — roughly ~0.09–0.14% of total incidents.
  
• Across datasets, transgender individuals are not over-represented among mass shooters and are far more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators.

Hope this helps.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
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1h
Christmas with my whole family, a holiday at New Year with family and dear friends and
enough money to keep Beira’s Place running for generations. Thank you 🥰

[Livia]

JK Rowling is another one who needs to be armed.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

• United States: Transgender individuals are estimated to have committed well under 1% of mass shooting incidents in major datasets.
  
• United Kingdom: There are no known mass shootings attributed to transgender individuals in existing records.
  
• Gun Violence Archive (GVA): Out of thousands of mass shootings (defined as incidents in which four or more people are shot, not including the shooter) since 2013, only around 5–8 were confirmed to involve transgender or nonbinary shooters — roughly ~0.09–0.14% of total incidents.
  
• Across datasets, transgender individuals are not over-represented among mass shooters and are far more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators.

Hope this helps.

Any figures on child abuse Or sexual assault committed by trans people.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Any figures on child abuse Or sexual assault committed by trans people.

Share your opinion on the prior stats I provided first debunking Livia's blatant lies before moving goal posts.

You don't get to use me as a source for stats that you will just ignore.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

When people say “it never happens” they don’t actually mean it NEVER happens they are basically saying when it accounts for 0.45% of all rapes and/or sexual assaults that efforts are being concentrated in the wrong place.

Because that’s what this equates to. Less than one half of one percent.

So when people question why it’s such a big part of national conversation when there are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threats to women going ignored and say things like “why are we concentrating on this when when it doesn’t really happen” that’s them taking it in full context and that’s what they mean.

It’s like trying to kill an ant because you don’t want it in your house when there is a lion in the kitchen. And what’s worse is that a lot of the time it’s the lion that is telling you it’s the ant that is the problem...

I love it when men tell women that its okay for them to be assaulted or made to feel uncomfortable in what were previous safe spaces, its just a small percentage right.. we should just suck it up, what if that small percentage happened to be your Mum or your sister, its still okay is it?

Can I just say I was personally told on this forum it would never happen, not that it might only happen to a small percentage, I was told it would NEVER happen, so you moving the goalposts is neither here nor there

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Share your opinion on the prior stats I provided first debunking Livia's blatant lies before moving goal posts.

You don't get to use me as a source for stats that you will just ignore.

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

It’s less than 1 in 150 people globally. Globally. It’s not the problem you think it is. Trans people just want to exist.

and women just want to be safe, we can't be safe in so many situations so to take away the places that we can actually be safe for such a small percentage of people is actually insane oh and btw its usually men saying it, like your good self

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

It’s in the stats he shared. Like I said, no critical thinking. Not even basic comprehension.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

and women just want to be safe, we can't be safe in so many situations so to take away the places that we can actually be safe for such a small percentage of people is actually insane oh and btw its usually men saying it, like your good self

You’re right. You can’t be safe in so many situations. That isn’t trans people. It’s cis men.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

Because they're under represented when it comes to that crime. She made the statement, she needs to provide the evidence and constitute what loads means. Claims like this need to work in stats and percentages, not just raw figures someone deems as "loads".

If a demographic is under represented as perpetrators of a crime, it's evidently not "loads" when that demographic only make up 1% of the population and it's extremely disingenuous to focus on that demographic as a way to provide a hate-filled point.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Livia said there are loads who have armed themselves and hurt innocent people...show me the lie in that statement.

Minneapolis, Minnesota, Robert "Robin" Westman
Robert "Robin" Westman, the suspect who has been identified as the shooter in the killings, identified as transgender. Westman died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the scene. Two children, ages eight and 10, were killed and 17 other people, including 14 children, were injured after Westman opened fire outside the Annunciation Catholic Church and school. Students had been inside the church for the first mass of the year.

Nashville, Tennessee, Audrey "Aiden" Hale
In March 2023, Audrey "Aiden" Hale entered the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, killing three young students and three staff members before police shot Hale dead. Pages of writings released in the wake of the shooting detailed Hale discussing her "imaginary penis" and needing to see a "trans doctor." She wrote, "This female gender role makes me want to not exist." Another entry stated, "My penis exists in my head. I swear to god I'm male." Yet another section stated, "I finally found the answer—that changing one's gender is possible."

Colorado Springs, Colorado, Anderson Lee Aldrich
On November 19, 2022, five people were killed and 40 others injured after Anderson Lee Aldrich opened fire in Club Q, a Colorado Springs LGBTQ nightclub. He was sentenced to life in prison in June 2023. Aldrich identifies as nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. Aldrich was stopped by patrons at the nightclub.

Highlands Ranch, Colorado, Alec McKinney
On May 7, 2019, one student was killed and eight others injured after a shooting took place at the Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) School in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, located just outside of Denver. In July 2020, trans-identified female teen Alec McKinney was sentenced to life in prison plus 38 years for the teen’s role in the shooting.

Aberdeen, Maryland, Scnochia Moseley
On September 20, 2018, 26-year-old Snochia Moseley fatally shot three people and injured three others at a Rite Aid warehouse in Aberdeen, Maryland. Friends told the Baltimore Sun at the time that messages sent by Moseley in December 2016 showed the temporary worker identifying as a transgender man and discussing beginning hormone treatment.

[Good King Glennceslas]

So five then.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

So five then.

Like I said in another thread... concentrating on swatting ants with their back to a lion.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Exactly and I’m gonna get in there before the posts about how “isn’t five enough” and just say that the number shouldn’t exist in the first place. So you can’t save your moral high grounds.

You’re being angry at the wrong people.

[Vicky.]

I think a lot of the time with 'trans crime' men only identify as trans to get put in women's prisons instead of mens, so it distorts the stats somewhat. Iirc 'transwomen' are actually overrepresented when it comes to sexual crimes but again I think this comes down to men playing the system.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynasnow

Is it transphobic?

Short answer. Yes, many people reasonably see it as transphobic.

Here is why.

• It mocks the phrase “I identify as,” which is closely tied to trans people’s real lives.
• It frames gender identity as a joke or costume you can pick for laughs.
• That joke feeds a common anti trans talking point used to dismiss trans people entirely.
• You do not need to mention trans people directly to target them. Dog whistles still whistle.

Here is the counter argument.

• Some people read it as harmless wordplay about a fictional character.
• They say it pokes fun at language, not at people.
• Intent may not have been malicious.

The problem.

• Impact matters more than intent.
• Trans people already face hostility, ridicule, and disbelief.
• This kind of joke lands in that same pile, whether you mean it or not.

Bottom line.

• If a joke relies on undermining a marginalised group’s identity, it is not neutral.
• You can call it satire if you like. It still punches down.
• Christmas cards should spread cheer, not culture war bait.

If you have to explain why a joke is not transphobic, the joke has already failed.

[Good King Glennceslas]

So come on LT. Do explain the joke to the group.