[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Well yes they have in a way as they are supporting what Labour is doing, grinding us all into the ground like dirt.

I completely support this banning, feelings run high and rightly so. They are allowed an opinion and the right to refuse any customer they want.

But who should the Labour voters be supporting tbf? There's not exactly a wealth of great alternatives unfortunately.

And it's a slippery slope imo to ban supporters, because that would have meant that Tory voters should've been barred from Pubs for supporting 15 years of a chronic time for this country under leaders such as David Cameron, Theresa May, and Rishi Sunak.

Personally I think that we need to be careful on demonizing the voters of any party.

I do have sympathy for the Pubs going after the MP's though, because they are the people enacting the unpopular policies.

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

Also whilst looking for the thread parm found, I found this doozy from 2013

Omg you actually went to the desperate lengths of looking for something minor Liv once said which is probably out of context .. to use against her. How sad. Lol.

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

But who should the Labour voters be supporting tbf? There's not exactly a wealth of great alternatives unfortunately.

And it's a slippery slope imo to ban supporters, because that would have meant that Tory voters should've been barred from Pubs for supporting 15 years of a chronic time for this country under leaders such as David Cameron, Theresa May, and Rishi Sunak.

Personally I think that we need to be careful on demonizing the voters of any party.

I do have sympathy for the Pubs going after the MP's though, because they are the people enacting the unpopular policies.

There are several alternatives, maybe none are fantastic depending on people's views and these diehard labourites are sycophantic heartless swines who back Starmer to the hilt. I was always Labour but never ever again will I tick them on any ballot. Bastards. Far removed from the Labour I knew who were, in the past, always for the working class citizens. That ship has sailed.

Yeah having sympathy for the pubs is good though Mock, your point is spot on.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

There are several alternatives, maybe none are fantastic depending on people's views and these diehard labourites are sycophantic heartless swines who back Starmer to the hilt. I was always Labour but never ever again will I tick them on any ballot. Bastards. Far removed from the Labour I knew who were, in the past, always for the working class citizens. That ship has sailed.

Yeah having sympathy for the pubs is good though Mock, your point is spot on.

Controversially I wonder if it is a method that people have to try nowadays to get anywhere with the Government? Not just in this country, but in other countries too?

Because the Government (no matter which country you're born in) doesn't listen to the public on anything, and maybe barring the MP's/Senators from places when they cross the line is a way to keep them in check?

Because tbf people do need to stand up from themselves from incompetent, corrupt, or simply evil Government decisions (depending on the severity of the policy) and maybe this is a necessary evil to benefit at least some of the people in the country?

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

Controversially I wonder if it is a method that people have to try nowadays to get anywhere with the Government? Not just in this country, but in other countries too?

Because the Government (no matter which country you're born in) doesn't listen to the public on anything, and maybe barring the MP's/Senators from places when they cross the line is a way to keep them in check?

Because tbf people do need to stand up from themselves from incompetent, corrupt, or simply evil Government decisions (depending on the severity of the policy) and maybe this is a necessary evil to benefit at least some of the people in the country?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

https://youtu.be/KtVg1k8B4O4?si=DUDQi2YzCgOhWoam

https://youtube.com/shorts/x7JIBFTtp...1fobZYeej-NT1Q

Yes, I guess this proves his point about the reaction there would be if it was Reform MPs. The frothing would be messy.

I don't care about this, as I have said before, private business owner's should have freedom to serve who they want. However, I do think there is a distinct difference between banning a hateful individual (Tommy Fake Names) and an entire group of people but like I said, I believe business owners should have a choice.

Livia's idea of barring anyone who voted that way is an interesting idea. Maybe we should start doing that.

Let's start with anyone who voted Brexit. First we can all give them backdated invoices for how is effected the country financially and then between them they can house all the migrants they hate due to how Brexit caused channel-crossings to increase exponentially. Sounds great!

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

Good for them.

I am glad you've come around to the way of thinking that business' owners should have freedom to make their own decisions on who they serve!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

There are several alternatives, maybe none are fantastic depending on people's views and these diehard labourites are sycophantic heartless swines who back Starmer to the hilt. I was always Labour but never ever again will I tick them on any ballot. Bastards. Far removed from the Labour I knew who were, in the past, always for the working class citizens. That ship has sailed.

Yeah having sympathy for the pubs is good though Mock, your point is spot on.

Er , I'm NOT and never have been a sycophantic heartless swine.
Your words are grossly insulting.
You are going on ignore,

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes, I guess this proves his point about the reaction there would be if it was Reform MPs. The frothing would be messy.

It was said it would be plastered over all the front pages. It wasn't.

But it was applauded on here by people being hypocrites now.

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Er , I'm NOT and never have been a sycophantic heartless swine.
Your words are grossly insulting.
You are going on ignore,

I'm not bothered Joey. You've taken offence when I didn't mean you at all. You've clearly said on here you don't support Starmer. I haven't alluded to you at all.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I am glad you've come around to the way of thinking that business' owners should have freedom to make their own decisions on who they serve!

The way that I see it is how would you have the Pubs protest against the Government in a way where the Government would actually listen to them, and have the public on the Pubs side?

Because you disrupt sporting events, people go mad.

And the protests disrupt traffic, and people go mad over it again.

I would also argue that refusing to serve an MP who's apart of a Government that you personally believe is actively trying to destroy your livelihood isn't exactly the same as being discriminatory against regular people.

But I get that not everyone will see it the same way tbf.

It's good to see that you're doing well though btw, BBXX as I do enjoy reading your posts.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

I would also argue that refusing to serve an MP who's apart of a Government that you personally believe is actively trying to destroy your livelihood isn't exactly the same as being discriminatory against regular people.

I agree. I see nothing wrong with standing firm against governments in this way really. Hope you're good too.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I agree. I see nothing wrong with standing firm against governments in this way really. Hope you're good too.

I'm doing good thanks.

It's been a bit of a busy Christmas period, but I have enjoyed it more than I have in 2023 and last year.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes, I guess this proves his point about the reaction there would be if it was Reform MPs. The frothing would be messy.

I don't care about this, as I have said before, private business owner's should have freedom to serve who they want. However, I do think there is a distinct difference between banning a hateful individual (Tommy Fake Names) and an entire group of people but like I said, I believe business owners should have a choice.

Livia's idea of barring anyone who voted that way is an interesting idea. Maybe we should start doing that.

Let's start with anyone who voted Brexit. First we can all give them backdated invoices for how is effected the country financially and then between them they can house all the migrants they hate due to how Brexit caused channel-crossings to increase exponentially. Sounds great!

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Well yes they have in a way as they are supporting what Labour is doing, grinding us all into the ground like dirt.

I completely support this banning, feelings run high and rightly so. They are allowed an opinion and the right to refuse any customer they want.

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Omg you actually went to the desperate lengths of looking for something minor Liv once said which is probably out of context .. to use against her. How sad. Lol.

The point proves itself

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Omg you actually went to the desperate lengths of looking for something minor Liv once said which is probably out of context .. to use against her. How sad. Lol.

It’s not out of context at all.

It’s in a thread about Tommy Robinson/Stephen Yaxley/Grifter being refused service on the grounds of his hateful politics.

In future if you wish to engage with me, at least know what you’re talking about instead of diving straight into insulting me. Do not engage with me again.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

Again. Agree completely.

Only certain types of people have no problem with discrimination.

Which types of people?

You cant just say certain types, you could mean anyone. Cant you be more specific?

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

It’s not out of context at all.

It’s in a thread about Tommy Robinson/Stephen Yaxley/Grifter being refused service on the grounds of his hateful politics.

In future if you wish to engage with me, at least know what you’re talking about instead of diving straight into insulting me. Do not engage with me again.

I will reply to whatever posts I want to, you don't have any problem giving me crap. One rule for you eh?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

I will reply to whatever posts I want to, you don't have any problem giving me crap. One rule for you eh?

Oh you want an argument. Bore off.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Alf

Which types of people?

You cant just say certain types, you could mean anyone. Cant you be more specific?

Take a look around here. Should give you a good idea.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

Supporters haven't done anything wrong tbf.

Well, they support this dreadful government in all they do for a start. But also they get very upset when they're criticised, they call people bigots and say say people are discriminatory... but they don't feel they have to hold back when they talk about Reform supporters.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

Take a look around here. Should give you a good idea.

Disgruntled gays?

[Vicky.]

I disagree with banning people from places based on political views tbh.

[Livia]

Pub landlords are being hammered. Now we're going to ask them to be inclusive and invite in the people who are robbing them and those who support them? The owner of a business surely has the right to refuse entry and to refuse those people who are killing their business is completely understandable to me.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Livia

Pub landlords are being hammered. Now we're going to ask them to be inclusive and invite in the people who are robbing them and those who support them? The owner of a business surely has the right to refuse entry and to refuse those people who are killing their business is completely understandable to me.

Originally Posted by Livia

If I refused to cooperate with everyone at work I dislike, I'd spend my days alone. As much as I dislike this bloke, he shouldn't have been refused service.

Which is it?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, they support this dreadful government in all they do for a start. But also they get very upset when they're criticised, they call people bigots and say say people are discriminatory... but they don't feel they have to hold back when they talk about Reform supporters.

Tbh the feud between Labour and Reform supporters over the last year or two is petty between both sides from my experience. It's a case by case thing on who is in the right on a topic is probably the fairest way for me to describe the name calling and general mudslinging that both sides do towards each other.

But in my view if we started discriminatory banning supporters of the current Government because we think that the current Government sucks, then local businesses really would die out against the big corporations.

And most of the supporters of Labour don't even really like Starmer, they just don't like Tories or Reform which in fairness to them their Political views doesn't align with Reform's at all, and the Tories have only just come out of 15 years of mistreating people with their own disgusting policies.

So my point being, if you're a Labour supporter and you don't like Reform's policies, the Tories are currently incompetent, and Starmer/Labour is the closest to enacting their views (even with the controlling and borderline dictator conduct being a huge problem currently) then why should Labour voters be barred from a Pub just for simply following their own gut?