[Z]

Hello.

I am also from the upper class of Britain *seriously*. I do not support fox hunting. I don't support the Tories. I don't have a problem with homosexuals or black people.

AndyJK.

Your comments about "go back to your council houses you dole scroungers"... Was it meant to be a joke? *I'm asking a question*

Nobody looks down on Derek because of his class, and if they do they are maybe just jealous, I don't know. You could say they have a problem with him because he's black, he's homosexual, he's a member of the Tory party. You could say anything about him. And yet you look down on Science!

Science does NOT represent the youth of today. I am the youth of today, and lemme tell you, rhyming a lot and arguing isn't the half of it!

Has he vandalised anything like Kitten did in BB5? No.

Has he started swearing? Yes, but so has every other housemate bar maybe Eugene.

Has he been a nuisance? Yes, but only to those who find him annoying. He hasn't "loitered", unless you count Craig's rather funny-for-the-wrong-reasons comment the other night.

So maybe he's similar, but he's NOT the representation of the youth of today, he's a young lad who has dreams and aspirations, who is what he is because of his society, which maybe you don't realise, isn't his fault!

[OPL73]

Like having the last word don't you Andy? How old are you anyway? I'm interested to know.

PS- Slightly off topic

Big Brother is draining and exhausting to watch. I dreamt about it last night. I dreamt that Science punched Anthony in the face and was evicted from the Big Brother House!

FFS I think I need a break and to take a step back from it all. It sends people crazy. I hate watching it religiously each night. It's ridiculous and a sad state of affairs. I can't believe I watch such banality. | I need my sleep. I work dammit!!! I'll be glad when it's over.

[OPL73]

Originally posted by Ziola
Hello.

I am also from the upper class of Britain *seriously*. I do not support fox hunting. I don't support the Tories. I don't have a problem with homosexuals or black people.

AndyJK.

Your comments about "go back to your council houses you dole scroungers"... Was it meant to be a joke? *I'm asking a question*

Nobody looks down on Derek because of his class, and if they do they are maybe just jealous, I don't know. You could say they have a problem with him because he's black, he's homosexual, he's a member of the Tory party. You could say anything about him. And yet you look down on Science!

Science does NOT represent the youth of today. I am the youth of today, and lemme tell you, rhyming a lot and arguing isn't the half of it!

Has he vandalised anything like Kitten did in BB5? No.

Has he started swearing? Yes, but so has every other housemate bar maybe Eugene.

Has he been a nuisance? Yes, but only to those who find him annoying. He hasn't "loitered", unless you count Craig's rather funny-for-the-wrong-reasons comment the other night.

So maybe he's similar, but he's NOT the representation of the youth of today, he's a young lad who has dreams and aspirations, who is what he is because of his society, which maybe you don't realise, isn't his fault!

Here, here!

[OPL73]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Ive accepted that Derek does come across a bit of a snob. This is more to do with the age gap than anything else and taking on the role as Mother hen to a group of youngsters. I also acknowledge his comments towards Science were strong and inappropriate but I dont think they were meant to be seen as racist. In the past few weeks, Science has pushed Derek to the absolute limit by provoking him into making reactional statements (as youve mentioned). Lets not forget Derek was very keen to take Science under his wing and help him in the beginnning which has been thrown back in his face because of Science's appallingly bad attitude and disrespect for people. How can anyone calling themselves 'Science' to project a man of intellect resort to childish behaviour and name calling as he did by calling Derek "a ****ing prick".

And as for being "dogmatic", Ive never made statements intended to be taken for fact. They are only my opinions deduced from logical reasoning of a show that is watched religiously by millions of people. They are my views not representative of any organisation or group, and people are more than welcome to agree or disagree with them.

And to back up my points which youve clearly refuted, Ive been reading some of the text messages in support of Science flashing across the screen like: "keep Science in der house, yer get me". That is proof if any that somebody has used a well known Science phrase.

Hi, I am upper class. I live in a mansion in Harrogate, Leeds. I have 100 acres, 10 horses, a barn and 8 cars.

I enjoy fox hunting, snobbery, and looking down my nose at the lower class. I hate common people and want to shoot Tony Blair.

I am very right wing and worship the ground Baroness Thatcher walks on. Although I am not that way inclined, I'd gladly take Dennis's place (God rest his soul) and become her new "companion"

Stupid people annoy me and I don't understand what a "Chav" is and hope never to find out.

I love myself and all my snobby friends and I don't care if I have a double barrel name or that my children are called Tinkerbell and Rupert.

I'm not sure what Butlins or Lanzarote is, but I love holiday's in Africa and our villa in the south of France.

I never give money to the poor as they should get off their council housed, benefit frauding backsides to earn their keep.

I have lots of money and my hubby is a Lord. I love my life and would not change it for anything.

RULE BRITANNIA!!!

[Slartibartfast]

I read thru all those posts, the majority of which seem to have given AndyJK exactly what he wanted; a heated angry response which he can provoke further. But IMO only Banarama has hit the point spot on, Derek isn't really upper class. He's an upstart middle class, middle england wannabe who THINKS he's upper class cos he talks posh and others buy into his self delusion!! (I should note I didn't agree with much else that Banarama said though).

Personally, I don't care about his politics, hobbies, homelife or whatever. I could look back over all the previous BB's and pick my faves, but I'd have no idea what their flippin views on fox hunting were, and what the hell does it matter. Maybe Helen from BB2 (one of my all time favs) favoured a protectionist economic policy and strict immigration control! I don't know or care. My faves in the house are generally picked on those I genuinely like as people (none this year, maybe Eugene) or those that play the game well and screw with other housemates.

And IMO, whatever fecking class he is, Derek is still the best gameplayer in the house, and he's my fave as a result. He's being nasty and manipulating people and turning them against each other. He's easily picked out Science's main weakness (short temper followed by incomprehensible ranting) and so he plays on it. He gets others to provoke him, and for the main Science walks right into it everytime. Derek offered him advice and an ally at the start but when Science screwed him by revealing his secret little comments, he put himself firmly in Derek's sights. If he goes this week it's gotta be down to some degree to Derek but also BB's biased editing.

[AndyJK]

Im sure most members agree with my opinions on Science.

Originally posted by Ziola

AndyJK.

Your comments about "go back to your council houses you dole scroungers"... Was it meant to be a joke? *I'm asking a question*

It was a test to see how members would react as anti-toff comments had gone completely unnoticed. I think I riled a few people up. I didnt start talking about class, politics or Margaret Thatcher, Im just responding to these points which have been raised recently and over the course of the series.

Originally posted by OPL73
Like having the last word don't you Andy? How old are you anyway? I'm interested to know.

Im the wrong side of 30.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by AndyJK

Thats a bit of a sweeping statement! Ill have you know I'm a Conservative voter and not ashamed to admit it either.

As for Baroness Thatcher, the woman is a Godess who saved this country from economic ruin! I worship the ground

she walks on. Only daft northerners pining for the old days of working a mile underground shovelling coal resent what she did. Sod the miners!

I really resent that comment Andy - I am a "northerner" and feel that you are really beginning to over step the mark. You have no right to differentiate between people because of where they live in the country. We are all of equal status and all have equal rights - especially on this forum and the key to everyone's rights on this forum is that it is an expectation that all members will treat others with respect. You obviously struggle to respect others Andy

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I really resent that comment Andy - I am a "northerner" and feel that you are really beginning to over step the mark. You have no right to differentiate between people because of where they live in the country. We are all of equal status and all have equal rights - especially on this forum and the key to everyone's rights on this forum is that it is an expectation that all members will treat others with respect. You obviously struggle to respect others Andy

Its political correctness gone mad I tell yer! I know its wrong to differentiate between race and colour, but I didnt know now drawing the distinction between north and south of the country was a taboo subject!

Good lord, you northerners are a sensitive lot these days

[Tanser_Man]

Why aye man!

Let's gan down the toon!

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Why aye man!

Let's gan down the toon!

When Im at work on the phone to my work collegues oop north in Warwick, theyre always taking the mikey out of my accent. I get replies like "alwight aaahs it gaanin me ole mate" Talk about stereotyping me as a character in East-bleeding-enders! (which I hate, by the way) I dont even talk like a cockney. I just laugh if off and ask them about their cloth caps and whippets.

We need to laugh ourselves in these rotten days of political correctnesss where every little comment is taken as offence. To hell with that nonsense.

[Tanser_Man]

Well yeh, without humour the world would be a very dull place.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Well yeh, without humour the world would be a very dull place.

I totally agree. Ive always learned not to take myself seriously. Theres far more important things to worry about than getting riled up over a few friendly jibes over the internet, for goodness sake.

When I used to holiday in Corfu in the mid 1990s there was always a large contingent of people from the north notably from places like Sheffield, Birmingham and Manchester. Me and my mates (all southerners) used to meet up and play them at pool in the bars. I used to say to them theyre only here because of the cheap flights tickets! Then they used to say how lightweight we are at drinking (which we were). Then we'd wind each other up over the football. It was all friendly banter and there certainly wasnt a whiff of nastiness.

But the fact remains there is a divide between north and south as clearly evident at the general election. Its been like that for centuries.

So my message to TiBB members getting all riled up over my comments at those living in the north: Lighten up!

[Ruth]

AndyJK, I can take a joke and I think most people here can. What I don't like is rudeness, and I think you have been rude and insulting to a lot of people.

You obviously came on here to get a reaction and I almost wish that I hadn't given you one.

You go on about people being obsessed with Science - you're almost as obsessed with Science's fans!

Well done, you got your heated response. I'm done with this thread.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Ruth
AndyJK, I can take a joke and I think most people here can. What I don't like is rudeness, and I think you have been rude and insulting to a lot of people.

You obviously came on here to get a reaction and I almost wish that I hadn't given you one.

You go on about people being obsessed with Science - you're almost as obsessed with Science's fans!

Well done, you got your heated response. I'm done with this thread.

Ive explained myself quite well and I certainly havent been rude to anyone. I claim victory in this debate. Thanks for your input.

[Ruth]

Oh okay one last post. I think calling people dole scrounging scum and peasants is rude. I knew you'd claim victory - you sound like the sort of person who refuses to believe you could ever be wrong about anything. I don't think you were the victor at all, but I've spent far too much time trying to reason with the unreasonable.

And NOW I'm done.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Ruth
Oh okay one last post. I think calling people dole scrounging scum and peasants is rude. I knew you'd claim victory - you sound like the sort of person who refuses to believe you could ever be wrong about anything. I don't think you were the victor at all, but I've spent far too much time trying to reason with the unreasonable.

And NOW I'm done.

I never used the word 'scum' and the words I did use werent meant maliciously. I was merely trying (as I keep explaining) to make a point which was that fans of the show, not just on this board, have been descriminating against Derek because of his class, posh voice and thats hes supporter of the Conservative party. Its been mentioned on BBLB, BB's Big Mouth, in text messages on TV and on fan websites such as this and gone completely unnoticed. I just think thats unfair to dislike someone because of this and that is why Derek will not win BB.

And I did stress after I dont think people in the north are dole scroungers or anything like that. Im sorry if this offended anyone. I like the north of the country and people from all parts of the British isles.

[OPL73]

Just can't help yourself can you Andy....that last word thing really is an issue with you. Can't help the sly digs against the lower class.

I find it quite amusing that you are trying to justify what you have written, by saying you were hoping to get a reaction. Yeah right, you meant every word. You have taken great delight in winding up the people on here. So.... kudos' to you for that.

Acutally I'm starting to warm to you, even though you are condescending to our "social status" and pour scorn on us commoners. I am a Northerner and proud of it! It's funny how you "southerners" think we are all farmers, wear flap caps and have menial job's in a factory or down t'pit. Ever been up North? Or are you basing these assumptions on conjecture and hearsay?

I bet you're a Chelsea fan. Or if not a football fan, you love watching a good old game of Rugga (union of course) eh? Or are you more in to Horse Racing and the Yacht club scene? How about a game of Croquet or Polo? Rah rah rah. I bet you also watched the Oxford v Cambridge boat race. Your eyes glued to the TV or swigging your Champers down by Chiswick bridge.

Again I will say back up your arguments.

PS Ever thought of entering the 'Upper Class Twit of the year' Competition. I think you would win 1st prize.

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PS.. I haven't read the half of this thread, because it's so bleedin long!.. I'm just havin the last word to be an Upstart!

[AndyJK]

Alright you have the last word then.

[science_to_win]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become.

That's the most stupid post I've ever read on this forum. I don't speak like him at all and don't wish to. Just because you can't see his qualities doesnt mean others cant. jog on

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by science_to_win

That's the most stupid post I've ever read on this forum. I don't speak like him at all and don't wish to. Just because you can't see his qualities doesnt mean others cant. jog on

Well good for you.

And all the housemates have good qualities, but you have to look hard for Science's. Dont get me wrong, hes an entertaining housemate, but he has an appalling attitude and very little respect for other people.

[science_to_win]

you don't have to look hard at all. with him you get entertainment and good qualities, i cant find much entertainment from others.
i dont want to watch kemal going on and on about makosi, or derek picking the next black person off, or craig masturbating....

[coltrane]

Well said Ruth, I regret responding too - AndyJK one last reaction for you "SHUT UP!!" "We're bored, We're bored! - Jog On!

[James]

Er, thread locked. I should of probably done it right at the start. Saying a group of a housemate's fans are obsessed really isn't the way to start a reasonable discussion.

IMO.

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