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springnow · 06-06-2009, 01:53 PM

i think understandable viewing figures falling,show been on 10 years, thats why i think channel 4 should show some care for there hard core viewers, keep dedicated fans happy, life feed

Stentionhouse · 06-06-2009, 01:56 PM

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You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

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It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.

You're missing the point entirely. Endemol would make a lot more money from BBUK if it aired on Sky, thanks to that broadcasters vastly superior money making potential, even if the show only got 1m viewers. Sky is the gold mine. Murdoch wants BB and would charge viewers through the nose for the live feed - which would be completely uncensored, and for which we'd pay.

Trust me, Endemol have had enough of Channel 4 messing with their show. Just wait a while and see how things develop this series

President · 06-06-2009, 01:57 PM

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Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it.

They have not 100% confirmed it. They've just said it's got another year to run in its contract, which is correct.

But if figures get really low, of course things could change. That's exactly what happened to Brookside. The contract was meant for a few years longer, but due to the poor ratings the contract was changed and ended quickly. Same for Family Affairs on Channel 5.

Tom · 06-06-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Stentionhouse

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Originally posted by Tom

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Originally posted by President

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

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Originally posted by Stentionhouse

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.

You're missing the point entirely. Endemol would make a lot more money from BBUK if it aired on Sky, thanks to that broadcasters vastly superior money making potential, even if the show only got 1m viewers. Sky is the gold mine. Murdoch wants BB and would charge viewers through the nose for the live feed - which would be completely uncensored, and for which we'd pay.

Trust me, Endemol have had enough of Channel 4 messing with their show. Just wait a while and see how things develop this series

And do you have proof of this or is it just speculation? And how do you know they'll put a lot of effort into it and won't kill it before its started like Gladiators?

The thing about going to Sky is Sky renew shows year to year and aren't loyal to their shows. The series a show under performs is the year its gone. And even if it rates well sometimes they give their shows the boot anyway. So if it went to Sky now there would be a real danger it would only last one or two series'.

Tom · 06-06-2009, 02:08 PM

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Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it.

They have not 100% confirmed it. They've just said it's got another year to run in its contract, which is correct.

But if figures get really low, of course things could change. That's exactly what happened to Brookside. The contract was meant for a few years longer, but due to the poor ratings the contract was changed and ended quickly. Same for Family Affairs on Channel 5.

If Endemol won't even let them cancel BBLB and Big Mouth when they were being watched by about 0.2m then what makes you think they'll let them cancel the main show when getting 2-3m?

Stentionhouse · 06-06-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Tom

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Originally posted by Stentionhouse

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Originally posted by Tom

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Originally posted by President

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

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Originally posted by Stentionhouse

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.

You're missing the point entirely. Endemol would make a lot more money from BBUK if it aired on Sky, thanks to that broadcasters vastly superior money making potential, even if the show only got 1m viewers. Sky is the gold mine. Murdoch wants BB and would charge viewers through the nose for the live feed - which would be completely uncensored, and for which we'd pay.

Trust me, Endemol have had enough of Channel 4 messing with their show. Just wait a while and see how things develop this series

And do you have proof of this or is it just speculation? And how do you know they'll put a lot of effort into it and won't kill it before its started like Gladiators?

The thing about going to Sky is Sky renew shows year to year and aren't loyal to their shows. The series a show under performs is the year its gone. And even if it rates well sometimes they give their shows the boot anyway. So if it went to Sky now there would be a real danger it would only last one or two series'.

I know someone who works for Endemol, who has given me lots of kosher info in the past. It's not just Sky who are interested - the BBC are too. That would be a major coup, but they have to be careful as they're publicly funded.

Whoever takes it (and someone will, for sure), they'd be hard pushed to make a bigger mess of it than C4 have this past three years.

Tom · 06-06-2009, 02:17 PM

Big Brother on the BBC?! Where exactly would they slot it for 10-13 weeks? How more diluted would it get? How long before pressure grew to drop it?

The only place would be BBC3 where it would probably be presented by some random 90's girlband member, diluted to hell and even more of a non-event than it is now.

Stentionhouse · 06-06-2009, 02:32 PM

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Big Brother on the BBC?! Where exactly would they slot it for 10-13 weeks? How more diluted would it get? How long before pressure grew to drop it?

The only place would be BBC3 where it would probably be presented by some random 90's girlband member, diluted to hell and even more of a non-event than it is now.

We'd at least have the live feed on the Beeb - their red button service is the bollocks

Sam! · 06-06-2009, 02:34 PM

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InsertNameHere · 06-06-2009, 02:34 PM

WE NEED IT BACK!

Tom4784 · 06-06-2009, 02:42 PM

All this fuss about live feed, you only want it because you don't have it anymore. The ratings of it were terrible and it was financially unviable, I don't blame them for scaling it back. Would you piss away money so a tiny audience can watch the HM's clip their toenails? You wouldn't, bitching about it constantly won't bring it back.

Tom · 06-06-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Stentionhouse

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Originally posted by Tom
Big Brother on the BBC?! Where exactly would they slot it for 10-13 weeks? How more diluted would it get? How long before pressure grew to drop it?

The only place would be BBC3 where it would probably be presented by some random 90's girlband member, diluted to hell and even more of a non-event than it is now.

We'd at least have the live feed on the Beeb - their red button service is the ********

... apart from when Wimbledon is on, oh and in World Cup/Euro/Olympics/Commonwealth years

It would have to be moved away from the summer which probably wouldn't work as well

James · 06-06-2009, 04:00 PM

No personal insults against another posters thanks. Keep the discussions civil.

Whenyoutouchme · 06-06-2009, 09:26 PM

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I'm really trying hard to keep my patience but **** ABOUT LIVE FEED.

i agree, ur taking the ****in piss, we've had enough listenin to u's complaining about the live feed, its not comin back, face facts, get a grip and make do with what you got for christ sake.

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