[letmein]

BNP teacher ban 'is considered'

A possible ban on teachers in England from being members of the British National Party is under consideration, a government spokesman has confirmed.

A spokesman for the Department for Children, Schools and Families says ministers are investigating a ban.

But the profession's watchdog, the General Teaching Council, has said membership of a legal party cannot be seen as "unprofessional conduct".

A BNP spokesman said moves for such a ban were "naked intimidation".

There have been calls from teachers' unions for a ban on teachers belonging to the BNP.

Legal doubt

The NASUWT teachers' union argues that belonging to the party is incompatible with "respecting ethnic, cultural and religious diversity".

It says a ban could follow the example of serving police officers who are not allowed to be BNP members - and says that such an exclusion could be achieved through an amendment to teachers' contracts.

The DCSF has now confirmed reports that ministers are exploring the possibility of introducing a ban for teachers - but without giving any further details of how or when such a ban might be introduced.

But suggestions that teachers could be "struck off" for membership of the BNP have been rejected by the teachers' regulatory body in England - the General Teaching Council for England.

"The clear legal advice we have received is that membership of any lawful political party per se cannot amount to unacceptable professional conduct, nor can it of itself bar someone from registration with the GTC," says the teaching council.

A spokesman for the BNP said that moves towards preventing teachers from BNP membership were an attempt to "corrupt the democratic process".

The party had proved its popular appeal in recent elections, said the spokesman, and a ban on BNP membership for teachers would be a "vindictive" and "totalitarian" response.

"People have different opinions, but they can leave their politics outside of the classroom."

It was unfair that such proposed restrictions would not apply to extreme left-wing teachers, the party's spokesman argued.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8112747.stm

[Shaun]

As long as their political views aren't being transpired, there's no reason for them not to teach. Depriving them of this is just as fascist as the majority of BNP policies, tbh.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Shaun
As long as their political views aren't being transpired, there's no reason for them not to teach. Depriving them of this is just as fascist as the majority of BNP policies, tbh.

Why give freedom of speech to those who wish to restrict the freedom of speech of others? If their BNP, chances are, their IS going to be bias in the classroom no matter what they say.

Do you honestly think a BNP member could teach history or modern society or politics without bias? BNP members let their patriotism and their political views govern EVERY aspect of their lives.

[Fom]

I am against the BNP but this shouldn't happen for the sheer fact we live in a democracy and we have the right to think what we want. We can't limit people for their beliefs no matter how much we hate them.

[GiRTh]

I agree with Shaun. If they dont spout their sh*t in class then they're being discriminated against.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Fom
I am against the BNP but this shouldn't happen for the sheer fact we live in a democracy and we have the right to think what we want. We can't limit people for their beliefs no matter how much we hate them.

Lets extend the argument to full blown Neo-Nazi's then. By my logic, your post still stands to look the same. Would you let a Neo Nazi teach your child? After all, you did say we have freedom of belief in this great 'democracy'.

[arista]

Originally posted by Shaun
As long as their political views aren't being transpired, there's no reason for them not to teach. Depriving them of this is just as fascist as the majority of BNP policies, tbh.

Yes good point.


They can not ban them
it is against our laws.

The BNP got a million votes
due to the mess of Brown.


If they Banned them
they should also ban Far Left Wing Teachers
then it would be more fair.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Stu

Lets extend the argument to full blown Neo-Nazi's then. By my logic, your post still stands to look the same. Would you let a Neo Nazi teach your child? After all, you did say we have freedom of belief in this great 'democracy'.

Democracies have their good parts and their bad parts but we can't say everyone is allowed their own voice then have a go at people for thinking what they believe, I agree with Shaun as long as they don't spit their views out like no teacher would lay their views on Labour to the children.

They have a right to be in that party and should not get discriminated, if they do it just proves that our country has double standards and isn't a democracy after all.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Stu

Lets extend the argument to full blown Neo-Nazi's then. By my logic, your post still stands to look the same. Would you let a Neo Nazi teach your child? After all, you did say we have freedom of belief in this great 'democracy'.

As long as there are Conservative teachers, or Labour teachers, or green teachers, or liberal democrat teachers - there's no real problem. Whilst the risk of their views rubbing off on their students is less of a problem, it's essentially the same thing.

I don't know if anyone gets their political beliefs from subtleties how their history and politics is taught, to be honest. That might be naive of me, but whilst there is always going to be the fear that your child is being spouted racist/xenophobic bullshit, so long as there's a rational majority able to play down these beliefs, there's no problem.

[Stu]

Difference being Conservatives and Liberals, and most other mainstream political parties, dont preach views that cross the barriers breaking into the views of others.

Essentialy the same thing? What could a Conservative possibly tell a young child and what could a Neo-Nazi tell a young child? Are you honestly trying to compare the two?

[arista]

They have to have case of a BNP Teacher
is breaking the rules.


Other than that
it would not be right to ban them.
This is the UK.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Stu
Difference being Conservatives and Liberals, and most other mainstream political parties, dont preach views that cross the barriers breaking into the views of others.

Essentialy the same thing? What could a Conservative possibly tell a young child and what could a Neo-Nazi tell a young child? Are you honestly trying to compare the two?

They could both bring in their biases. You're not quite getting it.

BNP members should be allowed to teach, as long as they don't start teaching that the Holocaust never happened.

[lily.]

If we're going to go down that road, then deeply religious people shouldn't be allowed to teach children either, as they might inflict their views on the class.

The fact is, as long as a teacher adheres to the curriculum, and keeps personal views aside, there is no problem.

I could go and teach a class about the bible. They wouldn't have to know I don't believe in god. It's called 'being professional'.

[arista]

Yes that is True lili, it is neverending.
I do not think they can do this.

[bananarama]

To ban a party that is legal should in itself be illegal unless one approves of living in a dictatorship......

Those that wish to ban the free expression of others no matter how obnoxious that expressin may be are people who are afraid and unable to win their argument via debate......Such banning brigade mentality is a sign that they don't have the intellect to win an argument and give moral victory to vile parties like the BNP......

[Stu]

Originally posted by letmein

They could both bring in their biases. You're not quite getting it.

BNP members should be allowed to teach, as long as they don't start teaching that the Holocaust never happened.

Yeah but thats the thing. Their going to have a hard time keeping away from that rubbish. We are talking about the BNP here. A party that thrives on letting their views dominate each and every aspect of their life. Do you honestly think they could spend a day teaching about the British workforce of World War II without saying ''okay kids, close those books for a moment''.

[CookieDough4000]

I say ban all teachers and draft in centipedes to do the job instead. They'd do it better.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by CookieDough4000
I say ban all teachers and draft in centipedes to do the job instead. They'd do it better.

Mmmmm. Also let's ger earwigs to replace polititions......

[CookieDough4000]

Originally posted by bananarama

Mmmmm. Also let's ger earwigs to replace polititions......

Hmm I dunno, in my experience earwigs are quite unreliable. We want someone dependable, like hedgehogs.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I dont think people who affiliate themselves with groups that discriminate should be able to teach and influence young vunerable minds. Theres no way that people with such extreme opinions would be able to stop their prejudices getting in the way of their judgement. Teaching is more than just feeding kids information. Our kids are with them for a good portion of their lives. If a member of the bnp was teaching at my school I would be campaigning to get them out!

[arista]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I dont think people who affiliate themselves with groups that discriminate should be able to teach and influence young vunerable minds. Theres no way that people with such extreme opinions would be able to stop their prejudices getting in the way of their judgement. Teaching is more than just feeding kids information. Our kids are with them for a good portion of their lives. If a member of the bnp was teaching at my school I would be campaigning to get them out!

This is the UK
we have Teachers that are BNP.


They follow rules


You can do Nothing Lady.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by arista

This is the UK
we have Teachers that are BNP.


They follow rules


You can do Nothing Lady.

They may be clever enough to not overtly state their opinions obviously but they will be able to convey their prejudices in subtle ways. Lets hope the Government do do something. Flip it to having a teacher who is a known Islamic extremist, there is no difference in their prejudiced views. There would be more public outcry then!

[arista]

Outcry


There is none



This is not going to Work.

This is a Free Nation
you can not pick and choose
they follow teaching rules
Job Done.



Sign Of The Times.

[Stu]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I dont think people who affiliate themselves with groups that discriminate should be able to teach and influence young vunerable minds. Theres no way that people with such extreme opinions would be able to stop their prejudices getting in the way of their judgement.

AMEN.

I dont know why people are bending over backwards to stress the rights of those who would deny the rights of others.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Stu

AMEN.

I dont know why people are bending over backwards to stress the rights of those who would deny the rights of others.

I know, the chance to target vunerable disaffected youth is exactly what the BNP are looking for....

Nick Griffin addressing a KKK meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OSzAtxnAJU

These people are dangerous and shouldnt be allowed to be in such a position of trust with our young people