[Destini]

I do actually tend to agree with the majority, I would be happy for either Rodrigo (who I am amazed has had the strength not to take sides seeing as he comes from a foreign culture), Siovash or Freddie to win.

However, I don't particuarly like Lisa but I feel she gets far too much stick than she actually deserves. Many accuse her of building a group against the outcasts and trying to recruit people for extra votes in her favour.

If you think that was her full intention then I think you're just seeing too much drama... Yes, she obviously is part of the group that dislikes Freddie and likes this situation... but who the hell wouldn't?

She hates Freddie, and she therefore makes good friends with people who share her opinion. Yes she slags him off, but anyone would if they dislike someone that much.

I like Freddie, but to be honest if I actually had to live with him I think the guy would gradually become quite annoying. For that reason I can't blame Lisa for her attitude towards him and I certainly don't think you can blame her for sharing her dislike with others...

As for people like Noirin & Karley, I don't dislike them for anything negative they might say towards Freddie, I dislike them because they're both ****ing idiots...
Kris on the other hand is more guilty because he has quite harshly embarassed and insulted Freddie infront of others without any major reason.

In summary, I really don't think I could put Lisa in the same league as some of the others. She hates Freddie and slags him off yes, but I can see how she would be annoyed by him and can't really hate her for that. She is also a lot more open to reasoning with him than say, Karley.

My point is, I think some people have a tendency to think she has this massive "evil gameplay", and I really don't think that is the case at all.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Its not just about Freddie, she picks out the "weak" ones and picks on them or gets others to pick on them ie/ Angel- water bomb incident. she makes clear her dislike and has a massive influence on how others then percieve and treat them. She tried it with Marcus too but he stood up to her

[BB_Eye]

Sorry, I don't really see it that way. I've lived with some annoying people in my time, but I don't plot against them and or gather people together to badmouth them. What more evidence to you need for Lisa's scheming than the fact that she hasn't gone up for eviction once, despite being far and away the most unpleasant person in the house?

[pinkpigtails]

I don't think she had a game plan,just that the woman is vile.

[yousoboo!]

Lisa stands at the sidelines manipulating others into arguing then stands back and watches.

[crollsy]

Lisa is scum. She's the puppet-master, and the rest of her little group are brainless idiots.

[Destini]

But you're therefore blaming her for being very influential, I don't think its really her fault she's good at that.

"I've lived with some annoying people in my time, but I don't plot against them and or gather people together to badmouth them."

I too have been in the same situation, and I of course spoke with others about how why I disliked them. Everyone does this... Lisa does the same and the others agree with her.

As I said I like Freddie, but I do think they have good reasons to dislike him (due to annoyance, his patronising aspects, not knowing when to shut up). She doesn't like the guy, why is she then not allowed to discuss with others who also dislike him?

[yousoboo!]

Originally posted by Destini
But you're therefore blaming her for being very influential, I don't think its really her fault she's good at that.

"I've lived with some annoying people in my time, but I don't plot against them and or gather people together to badmouth them."

I too have been in the same situation, and I of course spoke with others about how why I disliked them. Everyone does this... Lisa does the same and the others agree with her.

As I said I like Freddie, but I do think they have good reasons to dislike him (due to annoyance, his patronising aspects, not knowing when to shut up). She doesn't like the guy, why is she then not allowed to discuss with others who also dislike him?

She's not influential, she's manipulative.

[yousoboo!]

Originally posted by Destini
But you're therefore blaming her for being very influential, I don't think its really her fault she's good at that.

"I've lived with some annoying people in my time, but I don't plot against them and or gather people together to badmouth them."

I too have been in the same situation, and I of course spoke with others about how why I disliked them. Everyone does this... Lisa does the same and the others agree with her.

As I said I like Freddie, but I do think they have good reasons to dislike him (due to annoyance, his patronising aspects, not knowing when to shut up). She doesn't like the guy, why is she then not allowed to discuss with others who also dislike him?

She's not influential, she's manipulative.

[jtalh2003]

I remember one statement from bunnygate
siavash "Do you actually want to go up against lisa on this"
that says a lot
she is defiantly the muppet master

[minx36]

I'll say it again, she's an 'indirect' bully!

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

Karly is her puppet