[HellShark]

Originally posted by setanta
i mentioned only the once that he might be on steroids... just once. and you take everything i say totally out of context. you're a very reactionary individual who just doesn't accept anyone elses views that are contradictory to your own.

that kinda body is only achieved through hours and hours in gym each day plus the odd dose of steroids- think he's an addict

Looks like you said the only way he could get that body is by taking steroids. What other context can it be taken in?

i'm merely suggesting that to build yourself up that much is bad for ur body in the long run. i believe that. you just have to type in bodybuilder heart attack and you'll find many examples of guys who keel over from it. these guys become more and more obsessive about their bodies.... it leads to abuse. and also on a purely physical level, it eventually puts an awful strain on ur body carrying that kinda weight around.

its a well known fact that body builders suffer from weak hearts as they get older

You aren't merely suggesting anything. Apparently it's a fact, yet you conveniently provide no evidence.

If you are seriously suggesting that because a few bodybuilders suffer from heart attacks that there is a direct correlation I have to once again question your mental stability.

you can't just attack someone for having their own opinions regarding something. it's silly and infantile.

Hahaha, hiding behind opinions again? In previous posts you insisted what you were saying was fact.

[setanta]

i think hes addicted to bodybuilding.... didn't mean the drugs. and yes, i do believe these fellas suffer later on in life, more so than other physically fit individuals. i never said anything was fact.... only fact i was saying was these guys are liable to suffer later on in life if they continue this form of training. your body can't withstand it for that long and the heart weakens. you think it's natural to be that big?

you just seem intent on having a pop at others.

[dharma]

Originally posted by setanta
My main argument was that Tom has overdone it on the bodybuilding side of things and it could have damaging effects on his health later on in life. I suggested that it may be a vanity thing or just obsessional behaviour but I never compared him to anyone else or remarked on his personality. My main contention was that building your muscles to that size isn't good for your heart or body in the long run.

there is no evidence that having a muscular body puts strain on your heart, none what so ever. if he was still muscular like that when he was 50 then he would actually be very healthy. the more muscle you have the more testosterone your body will produce. keeping him young.... but if he was using steroids and eating unhealthy foods then you could suggest this would be bad for his heart.

id just like to say he has worked extremely hard for that body, the majority of people who abuse steroids still cant achieve his gains. body building relies alot on genetics. this doesn't mean he has used steroids either. he has probably been doing this for about 10 years.

literally just joined and all i can say is this forum seems to be full of uneducated time wasters. i think youv'e "over done it" on chatting absolute bollox on a forum about stupid common misconceptions you hear from other people.

[HellShark]

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[setanta]

i'm not altering my comments. i do believe that it will lead to problems in later years if he continues to eat and train like this. thats my opinion. you just seem intent on bigging yourself up

[LemonJam]

He seems like a good housemate so far, not just a pretty face.

[dharma]

no ones bigging there self up. your opinion doesn't seem to hold any truth, thats why people are bashing your comments. go and do some research on the subject. awe don't know what his eating habits are like so why are you putting that their.

[charliegimbert]

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[setanta]

i'm speculating, as we all are. we are all allowed to have an opinion on things. and i believe its not healthy in the long run to build ur body up to that level. plus, it can become a pathological thing for these guys.... continually wanting to increase their size or to maintain their strength.... which can eventually lead to abuse, if abuse hasn't already occured.

[jarkody]

Was it me or did I catch him checking out Rodrigo I caught about 2 quick glances that lasted only a second each but I saw it! I'm not saying he's gay but I get that looks like that from guys all the time so I recognize it..

[dharma]

can please go into further detail on why you think bodybuilding can abuse your body and why you think it would effect health later on in life...

would you suggest that sprinters would also suffer from these health problems?

[dharma]

can please go into further detail on why you think bodybuilding can abuse your body and why you think it would effect health later on in life...

would you suggest that sprinters would also suffer from these health problems?

[rayheartbliss]

some people are just jealous that other look good and they dont
thats why them people with good bodies are being slated as unhealthy

i mean yes there are some who are unhealthy, but tom is hardly like them

[charliegimbert]

Originally posted by rayheartbliss
some people are just jealous that other look good and they dont
thats why them people with good bodies are being slated as unhealthy

i mean yes there are some who are unhealthy, but tom is hardly like them

Tom is ugly w*nker

[setanta]

sprinters dont build up their body mass to that extreme level... they're not ingesting the same amount of supplements and food as bodybuilders. added weight puts pressure on the heart and the joints..... so too does the intake of more calories and proteins. these guys continue to put these demands on their bodies.... it is an obsessive hobby that can lead to abuse. it can very easily become pathological: the need to get bigger, to feel stronger. as you get older ur joints weaken and that body mass begins to really effect u.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by dharma
can please go into further detail on why you think bodybuilding can abuse your body and why you think it would effect health later on in life...

would you suggest that sprinters would also suffer from these health problems?

since hellshark is acting up flexing his E-muscle i shall bypass him as you are atleast enquiring on a polite coherent level..

suffice it to say sentanta is correct,i am speaking as someone who is a looking in to fitness instructing as a profession,as i am still training what i will do is not articulate what i think and feel..

i shall post a link,which is going to say what all with a little bit of knowledge in the field will tell you..and this is not about steriod abuse,this is about natural body building side affects..

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/OConnor16.html (not sure if we're allowed to post links but mods can edit if that is the case)

so in future,hellshark grow a pair and speak with a manner of respect towards people or you will recieve much the same type of treatment..

[tentpeg]

He walks strangely - and I guess that's because he can no longer put his arms down properly. Maybe if he did he would get sores in his arm pit. His face is ever so slim and long which looks very odd against such wide shoulders.

[dharma]

what are you talking about mate, sprinters main form of training is weight training. trust me competative sprinters will be using any supplements they can get thier hands and considering they get given them its not very hard. and thier calorie consumption will still be huge compared to the average person.

check these pics out. without a doubt successful sprinter are just as big as him.


http://www.thebetterweigh.com/images..._sprinter2.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...eet_28582t.jpg

the people who encounter problems through weight training are those who dont know what their doing. ie they dont warm up, they dont rest for long enough or train for long. all these topics lik bad joints, heart problems are totally aboidable.

so basically your generalization of the sport is full of flaws.

tht link was all about the health risks of steroids.... not once have i said steroids are not bad for your health im talking about frug free bodybuilding.

[dharma]

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/OConnor16.html

this is all about the health risks of steroid abuse not bodybuilding!

[tentpeg]

His body, yes 30stone, but OUR TV and OUR FAVE SHOW! My eyes deserve better!

[setanta]

sprinters are nowhere near as big as bodybuilders... that's ridiculous to say. their whole training system is getting power vs body mass in line...finding the right balance so they can move gracefully and with speed. you can't compare the two. and there is no way that they eat as much as bodybuilders. plus, their careers at the top only last 10 years- then they just train normally in every area.... not just weights. bodybuilders are a different breed to sprinters or athletes. can't compare the two. body builders continue to punish themselves well beyond their prime

[dharma]

of course you can relate the two. sprinters train thier muscles to be more explosive in relation to speed. having bigger muscles will not slow you down yes obviously the would be heavier but they support there own weight they would be stronger. these guys dont take or at least their not aloud to take steroids. natural body builders wouldn't get that much bigger than these guys.

basically both of these guys focus on building their muscles..... oh wait BODY BUILDING

[setanta]

do you seriously think there's no difference between the two?

[dharma]

there are some clear comparisons between the two.

the stronger a sprinter is the faster they will be able to run. so they workout, obviously they sprint aswell which is actually muscle building form of exersise. look it up. so to some extent they incorporate a bodybuilding lifestyle in to there training without the body building title.

so basically considering these guys workout and take supplements why all of a sudden are they not going to suffer from all the things you stated for a bodybuilder....

[setanta]

oh dear... you haven't been listening to me. and i'm tired. this is annoying me now. weight training is an important facet of any fitness regime....of course sprinters make use of it but to say they are similar size to bodybuilders is ridiculous.

bodybuilders push their muscles to the limit and build them up and up. always trying to get bigger and bigger. and they do this over long periods of time. i'm talking about long term damage here through this constant stress on the body. body builders dont stop at thirty odd... they continue, irrespective of the pain or whatever. it's pathological to many of them. the obsession to look good propels them on. there has to be a breaking point. thats how i look on it anyway.