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bansheewails · 09-08-2009, 12:08 AM

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It has differed greatly over the years! Initially it was to get legal right to vote, to own land, money and property! A woman was once her husband possession!

Its only since the 1960/70 that it has become a hairy, leg, bra burning issue!

Feminism Is about, choice, of lifestyle, freedoms, legal issues!

And that includes the right to be a WAG unfortunately!

Great post.

Thank You! I still have a very 1980's urge to protest sometimes!

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:11 AM

i think you won that debate!

but.. what if a man.. wants to be married to a famous woman who plays tennis?

actually do think that will happen.. a drastic change like that?

bansheewails · 09-08-2009, 12:12 AM

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i think you won that debate!

but.. what if a man.. wants to be married to a famous woman who plays tennis?

actually do think that will happen.. a drastic change like that?

Lets see, who is Jennifer Lopez's husband? or Mariah Carey? JK Rowling? do i think it will happen?

Too Late!

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:13 AM

who are their husbands?

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:15 AM

but were the husbands famous in their own right before getting with a famous female star!!

im just saying.. can you imagine a man.. whos only goal is to become like a male version of a wag.. and spend his wifes money living in luxury!! and did nothing before hand..

because thats what some of the wags now are like!

bansheewails · 09-08-2009, 12:16 AM

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who are their husbands?

Thats the point! I haven't a clue, but I do wonder what attracted those men to these multi-millionaire's! It works both ways you know! Men marry rich woman because they are rich too!

bansheewails · 09-08-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by bbfanatic
but were the husbands famous in their own right before getting with a famous female star!!

im just saying.. can you imagine a man.. whos only goal is to become like a male version of a wag.. and spend his wifes money living in luxury!! and did nothing before hand..

because thats what some of the wags now are like!

K-Fed, britneys husband! A backing dancer no one heard of, who was married when he met Britney! of course it hapens, its not just the women who do it! There are male groupies too!

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:19 AM

i know it does.. but i mean wags... are actually known and are in the media circuit!

men who are married to these rich women may have ordinaty jobs or be famous elsewhere?

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:19 AM

oh yeah i know males do it! but women do it more!!

but you seen kevin fed had a job.. some wags didnt have a job to start with?

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:20 AM

im just thinking.. i wonder when the tables will PROPERLY turn.. and than male versions of wags will be in EVERY magazine!

bansheewails · 09-08-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by bbfanatic
i know it does.. but i mean wags... are actually known and are in the media circuit!

men who are married to these rich women may have ordinaty jobs or be famous elsewhere?

They are out there, but just not talked about as much! Think of all these Male 'Models' that date actresses and singers etc! Do you think they all have contracts? They probably are mad that they dont get the same coverage as the WAGS!

bansheewails · 09-08-2009, 12:22 AM

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oh yeah i know males do it! but women do it more!!

but you seen kevin fed had a job.. some wags didnt have a job to start with?

But they are all models too tho arent they. LOL thats a joke!

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:22 AM

because wags are female!! and it seems females get more media attention than males!

bansheewails · 09-08-2009, 12:25 AM

Ok I give up! Surrender! I need my bed, was nice talking to you tho! See you tomorrow!

Night Night!

Beastie · 09-08-2009, 12:27 AM

aww sorry! i think i decided to end it with just a simple true statistical statement!

sorry i think i gave up by just saying something simple like that!!

a lot of what you said has been witty, true and informing!!

argh i sound patronising now! sorry!! argh i think people come across worse on the comp!!

goodnight bumble bee!

Twiggy · 09-08-2009, 12:32 AM

Difference is, Sophie has a lovely personality, Noirin and Bea do not!

ElProximo · 09-08-2009, 12:32 AM

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Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.

The OP does correctly point to one 'feminine' characteristic that has 'inflated' and been magnified and that is the 'beauty' of women. THAT has been highly celebrated, encouraged, super-charged and fed steroids, botox, plastic bags.
Now the 'ideal female' really is a 'sex object' that has one 'social grace' alone which is getting her way through the hyper-sexual exploitation.
Its almost like 'feminism' has become taking what would be associated as the WORST traits and perfecting them!!

One single mothers..
..Yes, I mean it is certainly true that single motherhood will result in a hugely disproportionate number of crimes and net drains on society.
A lot of them choose that life.
but
I always have to get back to the 'who you don't see' because for every single mum there is, somewhere, a 'single dad' but because he isn't raising the children we don't call him that. But he is as much the problem.
*and of course there are single-mums who are so because of unforseen circumstances, widows etc.
I never know which is which so I cant say who is who.

But yes for sure - Big Brother is now simply reduced to finding the most retarded, sick, dysfunctional, worst of the worst and that includes the female HMs

Ones that are 'good examples' either get voted out or walk out.
Remember Leslie?
I'm not saying you 'loved her personality' but from what I saw there was a good example of a woman who was both a professional success and also still a 'real woman' and in charge of 'feminist' characteristics.
or,
Actually I think Tom would be a good 'role model' for a lot of younger men in the sense he was a hard worker, balanced it with sport and at the same time was mostly respectful of men and women alike.

Hira might have been to cute for most women to identify with as a 'role model' but give her credit for this:
She showed you can use 'maternal' characteristics and social grace in a positive way to win over a valued place in the society.
Never once did she use her smoking hot sleek panther body to do it.
A lot of young women could benefit to have watched that and aimed for that for themselves.

rachel rice was strong though!! and stuck through big brother throughout!!

okay big brother seems a silly example.. but.. is a good role model someone who just "gives up"??

Yeah, I think Rachel was a good example and it was good to see enough voters one-upped Big Brother giving her the win.

I agree Tom went wrong by walking out. I can understand why he did but I think he would have done better to stay in and just show the world he could stay normal, stay positive and live above the circumstances.
yet,
If there could be a 'twist' here it might also be good for a young man to see an example in that too. IF you find all your mates are total fukktards and up to no good and in constant battles then maybe realise you don't need to be involved, unhealthy social circles will bring you down, don't 'throw your pearls before swine' and find positive friends instead.

Oooo_get_her · 09-08-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by ElProximo

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.

What?? What in the name of coco-pops are you blithering about? Feminism should have been about "social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty"?? Those WERE the things that were celebrated about women before - the problem was they were celebrated at the expense of concepts like women being as intelligent as men, women being able to control their own finances, women being able to live without the 'protection' (read 'control') of a man, etc. Have you no idea of what life was like for women before the 1950's? Don't you realise that the only way for the VAST majority of women in the western world to get on was to latch on to a man. And God help them if they picked the wrong man because there was virtually no way of getting rid of the fecker without becoming a social pariah.

THAT is was feminism was about - women were celebrated and idolised for the things you speak of, but they were also limited to only achieving in those areas.

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Originally posted by ElProximo
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..

Just not true. You are talking about the very recent and relatively small concept of the 'ladette' - trust me, this is not what most women aspire to be - that's microcosmic to Britain (and perhaps Ireland as a knock on effect of sharing so much media) and even then it is far from universal. I spend a lot of time in the US and I live on the European continent and that is just not mainstream here (or there) at all. You are taking your own expereince (perhaps) and applying it universally, inaccurately.

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Originally posted by ElProximo
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.

I think you must have a very poor outlook on life to believe that and to blame it on feminism. You might as well say that black Americans are to blame for their own social problems and would be better off if they had never left the cotton fields! It's a ridiculous statement.

WOMBAI · 09-08-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Oooo_get_her

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Originally posted by ElProximo

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.

What?? What in the name of coco-pops are you blithering about? Feminism should have been about "social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty"?? Those WERE the things that were celebrated about women before - the problem was they were celebrated at the expense of concepts like women being as intelligent as men, women being able to control their own finances, women being able to live without the 'protection' (read 'control') of a man, etc. Have you no idea of what life was like for women before the 1950's? Don't you realise that the only way for the VAST majority of women in the western world to get on was to latch on to a man. And God help them if they picked the wrong man because there was virtually no way of getting rid of the fecker without becoming a social pariah.

THAT is was feminism was about - women were celebrated and idolised for the things you speak of, but they were also limited to only achieving in those areas.

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Originally posted by ElProximo
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..

Just not true. You are talking about the very recent and relatively small concept of the 'ladette' - trust me, this is not what most women aspire to be - that's microcosmic to Britain (and perhaps Ireland as a knock on effect of sharing so much media) and even then it is far from universal. I spend a lot of time in the US and I live on the European continent and that is just not mainstream here (or there) at all. You are taking your own expereince (perhaps) and applying it universally, inaccurately.

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Originally posted by ElProximo
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.

I think you must have a very poor outlook on life to believe that and to blame it on feminism. You might as well say that black Americans are to blame for their own social problems and would be better off if they had never left the cotton fields! It's a ridiculous statement.

A very well stated and intelligent response! I agree with every word! Very well said!!

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