[The_Long_Run]

I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

[ElProximo]

Yes, well I already explained this earlier and for some inexplicable reason it made several people very upset and argumentative. I have yet to comprehend why so many people feel the need to challenge and argue about this topic.
(well.. i have some suspicions but ok),
and,
yes, that is an excellent page and probably the only thing I would want to emphasize is that there is no 'attack'. A person is NOT being 'attacked'. They are having a 'fight or flight' response to what they perceive as a threat to their safety.
Believing this is an 'attack' is what then has people 'panicking' about having the next 'panic attack' (vicious cycle type of thing).

I did watch the extended version of the incident(s) and just about spit out my tea laughing at Freddys classic line 'Your voice is giving me a panic attack' lmfao!
Classic!

[BBmassive]

OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves

[Vicky.]

Elproximo...that had absolutely nothing to do with what you were wafling on about

[fredrica]

Originally posted by BBmassive
OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves

No it is not however when someone is hurting you don't laugh at them, well I don't anyway.

Panic attacks are horrible and they make you feel you cannot deal with anything.
If somone is constantly attacking you verbally you cannot make a response you become petrified and numb. It is an horrendous experience.

[CaudleHalbard]

Thanks for the link. Having read it, it does not sound to me as if Freddie fits the profile of someone prone to panic attacks.

So I doubt whether it does anything to resolve the controversy. If anything it may lend weight to those who feel this was not actually a panic attack.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

[Rob!]

To be fair, once Halfwit told Bea she was having a panic attack, she left the room and told Marcus to go and calm him down. So, it's not as if she's THAT heartless...

[Cybele]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

[fredrica]

Originally posted by RobInnes
To be fair, once Halfwit told Bea she was having a panic attack, she left the room and told Marcus to go and calm him down. So, it's not as if she's THAT heartless...

The mere fact that she had caused another hm to have a panic attack is enough for me.

What concerned me was when she went back into the room and told Freddie she did not say the things he had said she did.

His answer was that it would be on film and that she did say it.
This was afterwards by the way.

[Claymores]

He had an idiot attack - the clear symptoms are when a girl you've serenaded and stalked and told the viewers could be an item outwith the house has to move beds to get away from you.

[ElProximo]

"Your voice gives me a panic attack" ... oh man.. that has to go down as an all-time classic.

Laughing and Crying are something like 'mirror' physiological responses.
In a similar (but not exact) way, anger and panic share a lot of the same 'routes' and physiological responses and 'symptoms'.
Freddy was what we just simply call 'becoming enraged'. He was becoming very very angry.
I guess you can say that this has a lot in common with what we call a 'panic attack'.
Its something like the 'Fight' without the 'Flight'.

Aggressiveness, rage, anger, fury, and Bea makes it worse when she says things like:
"you just can't admit it because you want to believe you don't cause trouble".
This is just a thing of malevolent beauty because this IS what Freddy does and then responds in anger..... OH OH... which he now has to pretend is something else because, its true, he can't allow himself to be someone who gets very angry.

Its called being ENRAGED.
Its called Anger.
It was good ole garden variety and well fueled ANGER.
Notice we don't call it an 'Anger Attack'.
Its not an 'attack'.
It IS HIM RESPONDING TO THE THOUGHTS HE IS HAVING.
This is not 'something attacking him' but he would like to believe that because then he can be excused and have no blame for it,
but,
You bet it was this simple:
He could not express himself successfully.
He really really wanted to and was thinking of a need to express himself.
Mouth isn't working,
Body fires up ANGER in case he needs to 'physically express it'.
or,
at least show her he had the potential to do so.

Anger.
Its called 'being very angry'.

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by fredrica

No it is not however when someone is hurting you don't laugh at them, well I don't anyway.

Panic attacks are horrible and they make you feel you cannot deal with anything.
If somone is constantly attacking you verbally you cannot make a response you become petrified and numb. It is an horrendous experience.

Please post a link or your source to confirm freddie had a panic attack ,thanks

[CaudleHalbard]

If Freddie was prone to having panic attacks, his early days in the house - when he was under a lot of negative pressure - would surely have seen him having a number of panic attacks!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBmassive

Please post a link or your source to confirm freddie had a panic attack ,thanks

Post yours to confirm he didnt. Thank you.

[SocietyIsRuined]

How did he get past the psychological tests?

We've had Sree who after leaving the house slits his wrists and now Halfwit who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks.

Somethings not right with the people who are evaluating the contestants. You do not let someone with mental health issues into such a paranoid enviroment like the Big Brother house.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by SocietyIsRuined
How did he get past the psychological tests?

We've had Sree who after leaving the house slits his wrists and now Halfwit who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks.

Somethings not right with the people who are evaluating the contestants. You do not let someone with mental health issues into such a paranoid enviroment like the Big Brother house.

Panic attacks are experienced by quite a few people. Besides, the amount of stress he was under which caused the episode was pretty substantial. He didn't have a panic attack over the normal BB stuff. He didn't even have a panic attack when he was being bullied by all of those people for the first few weeks. I would say that other people in the house have displayed worse responses to the stress of the house than Freddie having this ONE attack as a response of Bea's badgering.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Cybele

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

[watchinittoomuch]

You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane

[lavabird]

Originally posted by fredrica

The mere fact that she had caused another hm to have a panic attack is enough for me.

What concerned me was when she went back into the room and told Freddie she did not say the things he had said she did.

His answer was that it would be on film and that she did say it.
This was afterwards by the way.

do you not think she started to worry herself that she was going to look really bad? she doesnt give a toss about anyone in there and is playing all of them i cringe everytime david speaks to her he thinks she is abover him just because her accent is posh ! awful woman get her out

[SocietyIsRuined]

Originally posted by Cybele

Panic attacks are experienced by quite a few people. Besides, the amount of stress he was under which caused the episode was pretty substantial. He didn't have a panic attack over the normal BB stuff. He didn't even have a panic attack when he was being bullied by all of those people for the first few weeks. I would say that other people in the house have displayed worse responses to the stress of the house than Freddie having this ONE attack as a response of Bea's badgering.

But you do not allow someone with a mental health issue to enter the Big Brother house, that's my point. If I was on the production team and they told me there is one contestant who suffers from anxiety disorder/panic attacks then I would say that unfortunately for the sake of his health, he cannot enter.

The evaluators once again have put showbusiness before the health of a contestant.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

You seem to be forgetting that the "patient" made the claim himself. I would never say that someone was definitely suffering from this or that through a tv screen. However, I would say that it is likely based on certain non-verbal cues: shortness of breath, sweating, heightened state of stress, red face, etc. If you are really a nurse, you should know that many times the patient's account of what they are feeling drives the diagnosis. In this case, he said he was having a panic attack. I'm not sure why you are so fired up about saying that he is lying. Because surely that is the only other alternative. What purpose does that serve?

[setanta]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

Exactly.... diagnosing a fella from a tv set is just plain silly. And the sweat and hot, flushed face were from stuffing his face under the blanket while he was "crying". Come on, lets have a bit of rationality and common sense here.

[Prole]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

You've been "asked to explain" by whom, exactly? And actually, you've not explained anything! You've just said that that Freddie was having an attack (Dahhh, ya think so?) and that Bea was anxious and not deliberately provocative (and honestly, rarely have you been more wrong)

Are you the resident psychologist or something? If you were you would know that there is no way in this world, or the next, that you could diagnose anyone from watching them on telly.

[SocietyIsRuined]

Originally posted by watchinittoomuch
You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane

Having a mental health issue has nothing to do with being insane. Thank god that in this day and age people are more accepting to these issues.