[Viper29]

I've noticed recently that the entire 1st page of this forum has been inundated with hate threads, that are getting quite boring.
So, this thread's a bit different. I'd like to know what people think of all the remaining HMs, their good points, their bad points and who they think should be most deserving. If you want to discuss please join in, if you're here to spread hate, or spam, don't.

I'll go first as I am not really supporting anyone in this final.

Charlie's Good Points.
1. He has been amusing at times, re scaring people
2. His cheeky side can be at times endearing.

Charlie's Bad Points.
1. He has to be the centre of attention all the time.
2. He has been hypocritical a lot of times in the house.
3. He was part of the group that continually picked on Freddie near the start.
4. He continually brings up his mother as a reason for him to win.
5. He seems to continually try and push onto everyone that he's a nice guy.
6. He can say some nasty jibes at other HMS then try and hide it as a joke.

David's Good Points.
1. Seems like a nice fella, would probably talk to anyone.
2. He's funny, but not on purpose, he's just funny by his actions and his big voice.
3. He hasn't deliberately tried to annoy or upset anyone while in the house.

David's Bad Points
1. He got smothered and controlled by Lisa quite early on, so we didn't really get to see the real him I don't think.
2. His fake laugh that he adopted last week
3. Telling the HMs he didn't know he was going to nominate after blatantly telling Lisa outside he was.
4. Comes across as attention seeking quite a lot.

Rodrigo's Good Points.
1. He seems to have a respect for his dwellings, RE looking after the house.
2. It is nice to see someone so vocal about liking England.
3. He has been quite fun to watch when paired up with Sophie.
4. Seems quite caring at times if someone's upset.
5. Will stand for what he believes in no matter against who.

Rodrigo's Bad Points.
1. His temper is out of control.
2. If he doesn't get his own way he does seem to throw the toys out of the pram.
3. He comes across as very controlling and opinionated.

Siavash's Good Points.
1. He has played the game a bit differently to previous HMs which is refreshing.
2. He is very laid back which I like.
3. He hasn't been constantly backstabbing people etc.
4. He gave up his clothes for £10k when they area major physical aspect of his character.
5. He hasn't deliberately set out to annoy or upset anyone while in the house.

Siavash's Bad Points.
1. He cheated on his GF while in the house.
2. He can sometimes come across as a little attention seeking.
3. Has been slightly obsessed by nominations.

Sophie's Good Points.
1. She seems really bubbly and could be fun to be around.
2. She's not taking things too seriously in the house.
3. She showed a lot of backbone to vocally support Siavash when he was being ganged up on by her friends. Gained a lot of my respect that night.
4. Hasn't been parading her body around the house, ie hasn't been stripping off at every opportunity. Pleasant surprise.
5. Hasn't tried to deliberately annoy or upset anyone while in the house.

Sophie's Bad Points.
1. She was a bit of a sheep in the 1st half of the series, siding with whatever Kris, Karly, Lisa and Charlie said.
2. she comes across as quite bitchy sometimes behind others back.
3. She really can't hold her alcohol and I got the feeling it was put on a lot.
4. She stole Marcus's cans after being told not to touch them.

From the HMs we have left, I honestly think the only person deserving of winning BB is infact Siavash, mainly from the point of view that he has been on the biggest emotional journey within the house, has been slightly different to previous HMs and has been genuinely nice to the rest of the house.
The rest haven't really done anything to deserve winning in my honest objective opinion.

These are only my opinions (sorry it's long)
What do you guys think?

[Vicky.]

Very well thought out post, thought you know that this will decend into a siavash hate thread now dont you? You cant say his name without this happening.

I agree with every point you made, which is very strange in a post so long. I even agree that i want siavash to win, and for the exact reasons you wrote. This is quite scary...are you my secret twin?

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534252&tid=146032&author=VickyJ]Very well thought out post, thought you know that this will decend into a siavash hate thread now dont you? You cant say his name without this happening.

I agree with every point you made, which is very strange in a post so long. I even agree that i want siavash to win, and for the exact reasons you wrote. This is quite scary...are you my secret twin? [/rquote]

Haha, I might be hun
I'm just sick to death of readin hate threads and nobody actually acknowledging the HMs good and bad points. Thought it'd be interesting to hear everyone's actual opinions on all the remaining HMs.
(PS really didn't realise it was soooo long, sorry)

[MiuMiu]

Am.
This is a hard one.
I don't think anyone deserves it out of this bunch.
But if I was pushed, I'd say Sophie or David, because they have never changed while in the house.

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2534268&tid=146032&author=Viper29][rquote=2534252&tid=146032&author=VickyJ]Very well thought out post, thought you know that this will decend into a siavash hate thread now dont you? You cant say his name without this happening.

I agree with every point you made, which is very strange in a post so long. I even agree that i want siavash to win, and for the exact reasons you wrote. This is quite scary...are you my secret twin? [/rquote]

Haha, I might be hun
I'm just sick to death of readin hate threads and nobody actually acknowledging the HMs good and bad points. Thought it'd be interesting to hear everyone's actual opinions on all the remaining HMs.
(PS really didn't realise it was soooo long, sorry)[/rquote]

Thats something I have noticed this year. People seem unable to see any faults in their favourites, and any good points in people who they dislike. Everyone has good and bad points, everyone is human.

Except for me...Im perfect, but I am really a robot

[keithafc]

I think Sophie or David as well.

Siavash doesn't deserve to win at all. He's lied a good amount of times now in the house, i don't think he is being REAL. His DR stunt came across as a bit fake and put on. Do you honestly think he was going to leave? What nonsense. Two days before Friday? Let's get real. It's a 100k on the line here. Nearly all of them could of walked a few days ago with that DR stunt but decided not to.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Really well thought out and written post.

And I agree with your assessment of all the remaining HM's, they do all have redeeming qualities as I was saying on here last night.

I also want Siavash to win, I don't for one minute think he will now, but I like the fact he has been on a real journey in the house, yes he's not perfect, but none of us are, and I do believe he is basically a genuine, nice guy, who just got too caught up in the game and that clashed somewhat with his morals, and wanting to do the right thing, so he ended up in a right pickle basically. I admire that he's not afraid to show his emotions, some may call that weak and attention seeking, but I don't see it like that at all.

Refreshing to see a post not filled with hate on here at the moment, and a well balanced view, coming from a neutral FM.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

I love the fact you missed out so many of Siavash bad points.Quite a biased thread in reality from a Siavash fan.

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534273&tid=146032&author=VickyJ][rquote=2534268&tid=146032&author=Viper29][rquote=2534252&tid=146032&author=VickyJ]Very well thought out post, thought you know that this will decend into a siavash hate thread now dont you? You cant say his name without this happening.

I agree with every point you made, which is very strange in a post so long. I even agree that i want siavash to win, and for the exact reasons you wrote. This is quite scary...are you my secret twin? [/rquote]

Haha, I might be hun
I'm just sick to death of readin hate threads and nobody actually acknowledging the HMs good and bad points. Thought it'd be interesting to hear everyone's actual opinions on all the remaining HMs.
(PS really didn't realise it was soooo long, sorry)[/rquote]

Thats something I have noticed this year. People seem unable to see any faults in their favourites, and any good points in people who they dislike. Everyone has good and bad points, everyone is human.

Except for me...Im perfect, but I am really a robot [/rquote]

VickyJ Cyborg 1000.

Yeah, I just want to get out everyone's opinions of their favourites good AND bad points. It'll be interesting

[HalfwitFTW]

Good post

I agree with almost all the points you make.

I guess they all have characteristics which make them deserving, and they all have their flaws which may make them not so deserving.

At the end of the day, it depends on what your own personal values are and what personality traits you like/admire in another person.

For me, I admire individuality, intelligence, thinking for yourself, independence, thoughfulness, calmness, maturity and level-headedness. In my opinion, Siavash has displayed all these qualities and thats why I personally feel he is the most deserving.

[MissKittyFantastico]

[rquote=2534295&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM]I love the fact you missed out so many of Siavash bad points.Quite a biased thread in reality from a Siavash fan.[/rquote]

You obviously missed or chose to ignore the part where he said he's not really supporting anyone in the run up to the final then?

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534283&tid=146032&author=keithafc]I think Sophie or David as well.

Siavash doesn't deserve to win at all. He's lied a good amount of times now in the house, i don't think he is being REAL. His DR stunt came across as a bit fake and put on. Do you honestly think he was going to leave? What nonsense. Two days before Friday? Let's get real. It's a 100k on the line here. Nearly all of them could of walked a few days ago with that DR stunt but decided not to.[/rquote]

keithafc I apprecita that that is your view of Siavash, but as I said right at the very start this is not a hate thread. Please join in and inform us why you think Sophie and David, weigh up they good and bad points.

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2534308&tid=146032&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2534295&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM]I love the fact you missed out so many of Siavash bad points.Quite a biased thread in reality from a Siavash fan.[/rquote]

You obviously missed or chose to ignore the part where he said he's not really supporting anyone in the run up to the final then?[/rquote]

Didnt i say it would turn into another hate thread

[WAYNEEBRUM]

[rquote=2534324&tid=146032&author=VickyJ][rquote=2534308&tid=146032&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2534295&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM]I love the fact you missed out so many of Siavash bad points.Quite a biased thread in reality from a Siavash fan.[/rquote]

You obviously missed or chose to ignore the part where he said he's not really supporting anyone in the run up to the final then?[/rquote]

Didnt i say it would turn into another hate thread [/rquote]
no hate here,just pointing out a few facts that have convieniently been left out.

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534295&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM]I love the fact you missed out so many of Siavash bad points.Quite a biased thread in reality from a Siavash fan.[/rquote]

Ok, welcome to this thread, and please as I have stated, you are more than welcome to join in if you do infact want to give your views on ALL the remaining HMs. However if you are just here to spread hate or accuse me of stuff don't bother.
I have already stated that I am a supporter of none of the remaining HMs, I just wanted a civilised discussion of all their good and BAD points. Just don't spread hate mate

[bettiepage]

I want Sophie to win. I really don't like the other four

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534337&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM][rquote=2534324&tid=146032&author=VickyJ][rquote=2534308&tid=146032&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2534295&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM]I love the fact you missed out so many of Siavash bad points.Quite a biased thread in reality from a Siavash fan.[/rquote]

You obviously missed or chose to ignore the part where he said he's not really supporting anyone in the run up to the final then?[/rquote]

Didnt i say it would turn into another hate thread [/rquote]
no hate here,just pointing out a few facts that have convieniently been left out.[/rquote]

I have left A LOT of bad points out from every HM. This was done deliberately as it is A LOT easier to see the bad in people. I am trying to get everyone to discuss THEIR own views on the remaining HMs good AND bad points. Feel free to give yours and then whatever conclusion you have reached from this. I'm genuinely interested to know

[keithafc]

Well that's the thing mate about BB. In order to get a winner for yourself, you pick between who you like and dislike and therefor pointing out some one's bad points is what it is all about. IMO they are bad points, some might disagree, that's fine.

I just think Sophie has been 100% for the whole show. Day 1 and hasn't changed a bit. Not a drastic change at all. I find far too many flaws in the rest since they have been in the house bar David but let's face it, he ain't going to win is he, just seems to lack the fanbase and did join after 44 days.

I think David could of stood a great chance had he joined on Day 1 because he seems dead on and is a nice person.

But for me overall as it stands, i would pick Sophie to win. Just been consistent all the way through.

[luminoussun]

good post
Sophie will win.
I would rather siavash won because sophie has been a bit 2 faced and bitched about marcus too much for my liking.
Siavash has played the game and admits it and i like his honesty

[GypsyGoth]

I loved reading your post Viper29.

[HalfwitFTW]

[rquote=2534337&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM][rquote=2534324&tid=146032&author=VickyJ][rquote=2534308&tid=146032&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2534295&tid=146032&author=WAYNEEBRUM]I love the fact you missed out so many of Siavash bad points.Quite a biased thread in reality from a Siavash fan.[/rquote]

You obviously missed or chose to ignore the part where he said he's not really supporting anyone in the run up to the final then?[/rquote]

Didnt i say it would turn into another hate thread [/rquote]
no hate here,just pointing out a few facts that have convieniently been left out.[/rquote]

Its not facts though when the OP HAS written about Siavash's negative points, which as a Siavash fan I agree with.

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534352&tid=146032&author=keithafc]
Well that's the thing mate about BB. In order to get a winner for yourself, you pick between who you like and dislike and therefor pointing out some one's bad points is what it is all about. IMO they are bad points, some might disagree, that's fine.

I just think Sophie has been 100% for the whole show. Day 1 and hasn't changed a bit. Not a drastic change at all. I find far too many flaws in the rest since they have been in the house bar David but let's face it, he ain't going to win is he, just seems to lack the fanbase and did join after 44 days.

I think David could of stood a great chance had he joined on Day 1 because he seems dead on and is a nice person.

But for me overall as it stands, i would pick Sophie to win. Just been consistent all the way through.

[/rquote]

Good points
I do agree that everyone gets obsessed with pointing out the bad points of the people they don't like, and only sticking to the good points of the people they do like. I just wanted people to see both their good and bad points as everyone has them. THought it'd be interesting to see what people thought.

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534365&tid=146032&author=GypsyGoth]I loved reading your post Viper29.[/rquote]

Thank you, didn't realise it was sooo long lol
Feel free to join in

[keithafc]

Sophie seems favourite to win on Paddypower, Betfair. Both i'v checked so far. So i take it them have looked around and to see who is favourite?

[Viper29]

[rquote=2534290&tid=146032&author=MissKittyFantasti co]Really well thought out and written post.

And I agree with your assessment of all the remaining HM's, they do all have redeeming qualities as I was saying on here last night.

I also want Siavash to win, I don't for one minute think he will now, but I like the fact he has been on a real journey in the house, yes he's not perfect, but none of us are, and I do believe he is basically a genuine, nice guy, who just got too caught up in the game and that clashed somewhat with his morals, and wanting to do the right thing, so he ended up in a right pickle basically. I admire that he's not afraid to show his emotions, some may call that weak and attention seeking, but I don't see it like that at all.

Refreshing to see a post not filled with hate on here at the moment, and a well balanced view, coming from a neutral FM. [/rquote]

Why thank you MissKitty

I just wanted a change from the hate spreading etc.