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arista · 12-10-2009, 05:54 PM

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Slaves to who? Mohamed? Then catholics are "slaves" for drinking and eating and body and blood of Christ? Ridiculous.

Slaves to their Muslim Husband.

Novo · 12-10-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Slaves to their Muslim Hiusband.

More Fool them i say

Mrluvaluva · 12-10-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

This is England Not Saudi.

you should become a politician arista.

Arneldo · 12-10-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Slaves to their Muslim Hiusband.

Muslim woman chose to wear the burka. It's their religion.

12-10-2009, 05:55 PM

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Slaves to their Muslim Hiusband.

That is not totally true, i disagree with the burka but im certain the majority always go out by there own take there children to school and go to there cousins/friends house who is female.

Captain.Remy · 12-10-2009, 06:07 PM

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And I don't agree with it all. People should be allowed follow their religion, both in public and in privacy. People should be allowed celebrate their religion, and support their religion. Banning religion symbols in public is like telling people that what they are doing is wrong, and should be kept to the home. It's like making religion a secret.

It's not about having the "balls to do it". It's about being unjust enough to do it.

I can see where you're coming from as UK is way different on that matter but Burka and other religion signs aren't in French values: the church is split from the state so public places shouldn't have any religion signs.

And I think it's a question of having the balls to do it, the situation in France with Muslim people isn't easy at all and voting this law caused a lot of trouble and showed to Ben Ladin we won't break under the pressure.

arista · 12-10-2009, 06:10 PM

Well Done France.

arista · 12-10-2009, 06:13 PM

In England We Do Not Celebrate Our Religion
Arneldo.

This Is England Not Saudi.

Arneldo · 12-10-2009, 06:23 PM

In England? Sorry arista, I didn't know you spoke on behalf of all 50 million of you

And Rémy, it should be what the state wants - it should be down to the individual, and a personal choice IMO. I'm not going to comment anymore on the "having balls" bit cause it lorra shite IMO.

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Arneldo

The women chose to wear the burka , it's part of their religion. It rarely a case that their husbands make them wear the burka. It's a different culture, and it should be respected.

Why should it be respected? They should respect our culture also...

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:41 PM

The Burka looks ridiculous, it is not in the quran and was a form of opression when the Taliban had control of Iraq. It is not about freedom, covering a woman from head to toe, what does it really achieve? It also has become an excuse for Muslims to complain about even more things. As in the thing with the Woman at the school. There is not really a good argument for Women to make it really, most of it is just excuses. Also, why make comparisons to Hoodies? That is avoiding the topic, this is not about Hoodies.

Chantel · 12-10-2009, 06:42 PM

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The Burka looks ridiculous, it is not in the quran and was a form of opression when the Taliban had control of Iraq. It is not about freedom, covering a woman from head to toe, what does it really achieve? It also has become an excuse for Muslims to complain about even more things. As in the thing with the Woman at the school. There is not really a good argument for Women to make it really, most of it is just excuses. Also, why make comparisons to Hoodies? That is avoiding the topic, this is not about Hoodies.

You said the Burka was intimidating, and i said a teenager in a hoody is more intimidating thats why it was brought into it

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:43 PM

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You said the Burka was intimidating, and i said a teenager in a hoody is more intimidating thats why it was brought into it

But I didn't say it would be more intimidating than a Hoodie did I? I just said it could be intimidating to a kid.

Chantel · 12-10-2009, 06:44 PM

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But I didn't say it would be more intimidating than a Hoodie did I? I just said it could be intimidating to a kid.

No, you said the Burka is intimidating, i was the one who said someone in a hoody is more intimidating

Captain.Remy · 12-10-2009, 06:45 PM

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In England? Sorry arista, I didn't know you spoke on behalf of all 50 million of you

And Rémy, it should be what the state wants - it should be down to the individual, and a personal choice IMO. I'm not going to comment anymore on the "having balls" bit cause it lorra shite IMO.

But it's in the values of our country. You can do whatever you want at home, but not in public as it's religion free. At least it's fair to every religion, not only Islam.
People who come in a country should respect its values, religion signs aren't one of them, in France at least.

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:46 PM

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No, you said the Burka is intimidating, i was the one who said someone in a hoody is more intimidating

Yes, so why bring it up? It's not about Hoodies...

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

But it's in the values of our country. You can do whatever you want at home, but not in public as it's religion free. At least it's fair to every religion, not only Islam.
People who come in a country should respect its values, religion signs aren't one of them, in France at least.

They don't in England. France has got it spot on

Chantel · 12-10-2009, 06:47 PM

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Yes, so why bring it up? It's not about Hoodies...

Because i find them more intimidating

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:49 PM

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Because i find them more intimidating

To a kid, I think a woman in a Burka would be more intimidating.

Captain.Remy · 12-10-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

They don't in England. France has got it spot on

I love England, really I do, this is where I want to live and have my children but I think there is a big question mark on this matter. I'm not saying something should be done, but when I worked a whole month in 2006 and then I saw this lady wearing a hijab shocked me. Yes, it did because I was not used to it. But then I dealt with it but you can't expect people to accept it and be fine with it.

Chantel · 12-10-2009, 06:52 PM

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To a kid, I think a woman in a Burka would be more intimidating.

My 4 year old niece doesnt find them intimidating, she's scared of hoodies though

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:52 PM

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My 4 year old niece doesnt find them intimidating, she's scared of hoodies though

Has she grown up around muslims?

Chantel · 12-10-2009, 06:53 PM

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Has she grown up around muslims?

Yes she lives in Manchester, half of Manchester is Asian people

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I love England, really I do, this is where I want to live and have my children but I think there is a big question mark on this matter. I'm not saying something should be done, but when I worked a whole month in 2006 and then I saw this lady wearing a hijab shocked me. Yes, it did because I was not used to it. But then I dealt with it but you can't expect people to accept it and be fine with it.

Well that is our problem, we might complain in our heads but we really do nothing. Then 7/7 happens. I don't think any Religion should be expected, especially not Islam.

InOne · 12-10-2009, 06:54 PM

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Yes she lives in Manchester, half of Manchester is Asian people

Do you not see it as dehumanizing women?

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