[setanta]

The only thing I'm going to say is that you shouldn't condemn that video as being racist or reactionary, because that guy is an atheist and has criticized every religion and creed in the country. I personally found it quite interesting although I could have done without the snidey and sharp little comments he made in the name of humour which marred the whole experience for me. He obviously has a major chip on his shoulders.

[InOne]

Well it seems that on here, people can't accept the fact that Islam is not a race. They don't consider themselves a race, so why do you? Also, just for talking about Islam, seems you get called a racist and MUST support the BNP. I have met many Muslims, I know alot of Muslims so I know what it's like. Even they get tired of their Religion, and what is worse is with immigrant parents they face a massive indentity crisis. Therefore they will probably stick to their own areas. I think the problem here is the areas get bigger and bigger, sometimes becoming no-go areas. It's sad but true, why do you think they had to do the last bit in Welsh??

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Diversity only works if the diverse people want to embrace the dominant culture and not create ghettos

Bang On Right LT.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Prole

You're talking about extremists. You're not talking about most muslims. Then, you probably haven't ever met many so they seem exotic to you.

And while your citing Salman Rushdie as an example, remember the HE IS A MUSLIM TOO!

thanks Prole, exactly, most muslims dont react in such ways. The same way there are Catholics and Christians that react in extreme ways towards certain things, doesnt follow that they all do...and lol@ Inone knowing loads of muslims (itchy chin)

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

I think the fact that our soldiers are dying fighting a war that is not theres - affects us a lot!!! Why can't the people in Afghanistan or Iraq sort out their own problems - why do they create a culture that allows the likes of the Taliban to take over in the first place. That couldn't happen here. Then OUR troops have to go in and try and sort the situation out - and pay the price. These nations are always fighting amongst themselves and killing each other -they don't seem to have respect or compasion for anyone - just thousands of years of pent-up hate!!!Then they bring their hate here! Like many - sick of it!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

thanks Prole, exactly, most muslims dont react in such ways. The same way there are Catholics and Christians that react in extreme ways towards certain things, doesnt follow that they all do...and lol@ Inone knowing loads of muslims (itchy chin)

Yes, statements like that show how narrow minded and up your own arse you are.

[Prole]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes, statements like that show how narrow minded and up your own arse you are.

Whereas your own argument is so rational and well-thought through. Isn't it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes, statements like that show how narrow minded and up your own arse you are.

Bite me

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Prole

Whereas your own argument is so rational and well-thought through. Isn't it.

You don't even have an argument, you just back up her.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

No diversity works when we all respect each others cultures

It makes me laugh when you keep harping on about diversity - how many Muslims do you think actually believe in diversity?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It makes me laugh when you keep harping on about diversity - how many Muslims do you think actually believe in diversity?

Ask some Christians in Muslim countries..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It makes me laugh when you keep harping on about diversity - how many Muslims do you think actually believe in diversity?

Most of them in this country, there are polls to back that up

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Most of them in this country, there are polls to back that up

Havent' seen them - besides they probably meant that they think WE should believe in diversity and assimilate their religion and culture - not the other way round!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Most of them in this country, there are polls to back that up

Link? And not a Islamic website please.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Link? And not a Islamic website please.

Why, they not to be trusted?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4139594.stm more to follow

Note a higher percentage of muslims have faith in multiculturalism than the general population

http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail...nouncement-817

http://www.mcb.org.uk/downloads/MCB%...20PRINTRUN.pdf (Or our we not to believe them eh? they would say that? Fact is they have documented research evidence to back it up)

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Why, they not to be trusted?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4139594.stm...more to follow

http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail...nouncement-817

http://www.mcb.org.uk/downloads/MCB%...20PRINTRUN.pdf (Or our we not to believe them eh? they would say that? lol)

Just so it's not bias, I would not expect you to be backing up Chirstianity from a Christian website would I? You get my drift...

[InOne]

The first one says page cannot be found.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Just read it

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Just read it

I read it. I saw a doc about Muslims who fight and fought in the war. I'm not saying they don't contribute, i'm saying some don't as well. It would be nice if they all had the same mentality.

[NettoSuperstar!]

....and the second one

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

I read it. I saw a doc about Muslims who fight and fought in the war. I'm not saying they don't contribute, i'm saying some don't as well. It would be nice if they all had the same mentality.

The same can be applied to brittish and/or Christian people though, some of us work to death to make a living while others live off benefits.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

....and the second one

Yes, some act on it, some don't, it's the way it goes.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The same can be applied to brittish and/or Christian people though, some of us work to death to make a living while others live off benefits.

Indeed, but i'm thinking more of the immigration side really, immigrants and first generation childer and their mentality towards it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes, some act on it, some don't, it's the way it goes.

Yes but you and a few others say things that imply that MOST are a threat to our culture and dont want to integrate etc etc when its just not the case

[WOMBAI]

Sorry - but as far as I am concerned - they prove nothing. The more cynical amongst us could say it was just more rhetoric - people being seen to say the right thing. Politicians do it all the time. People want to see actions - not talk.

What we do see is plenty of action when it comes to hate of the West and everything it stands for. Minority or majority - comes down to opinion - but I certainly haven't witnessed much in the way of Muslims embracing diversity and the cultures of others - other than to enjoy the improved economic lifestyle our country has to offer.