[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If Children don't know what he does off the pitch is wrong then the parents have done something incredibly wrong, Stop expecting the media to raise your kids and teach them right from wrong yourself. 'Oh John Terry's gonna inspire my kid to do bad' 'Manhunt turned my kid into a killer' 'This film's currupted my child' SHUT THE ***** UP PARENTS OF THE WORLD. I can't stand scapegoating, If a kid does wrong then chances are it's the parent's fault for *****ing them up not anybody else's so that POS excuse can get out.

edit Seems the consensus of opinion in the UK is that JT got just what he deserved so luckily your attitudes are in the minority. JT even shagged Orlaith when his wife was pregnant - what a gent! And he's got a major fraud charge to answer next week! (waits for shrieks of "it's all lies I tell you") Oh and by the way Bridge and several other team members told Capello they had lost all respect for JT and didnt want him as captain (The Sunday Times today). Or do you only believe news stories that support your version of the truth? Seemingly though, even if you acknowledge its all true, you don't think any of it matters??? No wonder this country is in the sh*t.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If Children don't know what he does off the pitch is wrong then the parents have done something incredibly wrong, Stop expecting the media to raise your kids and teach them right from wrong yourself. 'Oh John Terry's gonna inspire my kid to do bad' 'Manhunt turned my kid into a killer' 'This film's currupted my child' SHUT THE ***** UP PARENTS OF THE WORLD. I can't stand scapegoating, If a kid does wrong then chances are it's the parent's fault for *****ing them up not anybody else's so that POS excuse can get out.

perhaps if you have children, which i know is unlikely, you may change your minority opinion?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

What a thoroughly charming person you are, your parents must be so proud Seems the consensus of opinion in the UK is that JT got just what he deserved so luckily your attitudes are in the minority. JT even shagged Orlaith when his wife was pregnant - what a gent! And he's got a major fraud charge to answer next week! (waits for shrieks of "it's all lies I tell you") Oh and by the way Bridge and several other team members told Capello they had lost all respect for JT and didnt want him as captain (The Sunday Times today). Or do you only believe news stories that support your version of the truth? Seemingly though, even if you acknowledge its all true, you don't think any of it matters??? No wonder this country is in the sh*t.

Personal attacks, lovely. My parents are proud, I know my own mind and don't suck up everything I read as truth and I don't need to blame others for stuff going wrong in my own life.

WHY should I care what some footballer does off the pitch? It doesn't affect me in any way and I'm not nosey enough to give a *****. As long as he breaks no laws he can do what he likes and I won't care, it doesn't change my life in any major way and neither does it yours. NOBODY in the England team is a role model, very few footballers are. They've all been involved in scandals so excuse me If I don't see them as role models. I'm not sticking up for him I'm just saying I don't care about him off the pitch.

After all that vitriol you've aimed at me for having an opinion, well you must be a paragon of Humanity.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps if you have children, which i know is unlikely, you may change your minority opinion?

I don't and I wouldn't. You should never look to mould your life after someone else, Take inspiriations from their proffessional lives yes (I look upto a lot of people in my own field but I don't live my life by them). I'll tell my kids exactly the same thing, carve your own path in life.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps if you have children, which i know is unlikely, you may change your minority opinion?

but, you cant exactly say: 'oh, my child behaves the way he does, because of John Terry!'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't and I wouldn't. You should never look to mould your life after someone else, Take inspiriations from their proffessional lives yes (I look upto a lot of people in my own field but I don't live my life by them). I'll tell my kids exactly the same thing, carve your own path in life.

lol

like your children would listen to what you say

(big shock in life ahead)

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

but, you cant exactly say: 'oh, my child behaves the way he does, because of John Terry!'

That's my point, too many parents in this day and age expect the media to raise their kids. Blaming it or it's products for their kids problems when really they should look closer to home and take responsibility.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol

like your children would listen to what you say

(big shock in life ahead)

You can only ever hope they will, I'm not naive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is about what Terry represents. As captain he represents the FA, the sponsors, the people who buy tickets to watch the team. He represents the manager.

The people above do not want this immature, poorly educated, spineless cheat as their representative.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by angus58

What a thoroughly charming person you are, your parents must be so proud Seems the consensus of opinion in the UK is that JT got just what he deserved so luckily your attitudes are in the minority. JT even shagged Orlaith when his wife was pregnant - what a gent! And he's got a major fraud charge to answer next week! (waits for shrieks of "it's all lies I tell you") Oh and by the way Bridge and several other team members told Capello they had lost all respect for JT and didnt want him as captain (The Sunday Times today). Or do you only believe news stories that support your version of the truth? Seemingly though, even if you acknowledge its all true, you don't think any of it matters??? No wonder this country is in the sh*t.

i dont care, i've got my own life to live
he hasn't killed or raped anybody, so i have no problem with him
whats he done to you, that you are so upset about? does his affair really affect YOU that much? so much so that you want him lynched?

get your head out of the clouds, and come in to the real world

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is about what Terry represents. As captain he represents the FA, the sponsors, the people who buy tickets to watch the team. He represents the manager.

The people above do not want this immature, poorly educated, spineless cheat as their representative.

Fair point but for me personally I find it hard to care about what they do off the pitch.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The people above do not want this immature, poorly educated, spineless cheat as their representative.

agree, davina should be sacked

[Alf]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6409...gues-wife.html

have a go at this bloke (Andrew moss) instead, or is he not the fassion?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by wannashag

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6409...gues-wife.html

have a go at this bloke (Andrew moss) instead, or is he not the fassion?

to compare a insurance company with the England national team is silly

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to compare a insurance company with the England national team is silly

i'm not comparing the company, i'm comparing the company boss, who earns much more money than john terry, if john terry has to be a role model in his chosen proffesion dont you think it's only right this company boss should be a role model in his?

that message says to kids, dont become a pro footballer or we'll hound you and dig up dirt about you, you will live life like an amateur monk or have your personal life in all the main news stories and judged by a nation who dont even know you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by wannashag

i'm not comparing the company, i'm comparing the company boss, who earns much more money than john terry, if john terry has to be a role model in his chosen proffesion dont you think it's only right this company boss should be a role model in his?

that message says to kids, dont become a pro footballer or we'll hound you and dig up dirt about you, you will live life like an amateur monk or have your personal life in all the main news stories and judged by a nation who dont even know you.

football players earn their money from the people who read tabloids and therefore will also be judged and juried by them as well. quid pro quo.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

football players earn their money from the people who read tabloids and therefore will also be judged and juried by them as well. quid pro quo.

so footballers dont earn their money for playing football?
time for your medication bud

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by wannashag

so footballers dont earn their money for playing football?
time for your medication bud

they earn the money they do because of the interest by punters on the terraces and on tv. the league they play in is key. Plenty folks play football in the UK and no one pays them.

put JT in defence for Wealdstone FC and see how much he earns.

[Dr.Gonzo]

He's a footballer, not a role model. That isn't to say that footballers can't be role models, but this one isn't... clearly.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

He's a footballer, not a role model. That isn't to say that footballers can't be role models, but this one isn't... clearly.

This post is the epitome of axiomatic!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's ridiculous that he's been sacked really, he's obviously the best man for the job and he's only gone because of useless parents bitching about the non-existent effects he'll have on their *****ed up children. Footballers, celebrities and the media aren't responsible for raising your children and if they can't tell that cheating ain't right by themselves sorry but you've *****ed up majorly and no amount of scapegoating of John Terry is gonna fix it.

He's a footballer at the end of the day that's all we should care about, would you stop shopping at a shop because the owner had an affair? Would you stop going to a hairdresser because he had an affair? You wouldn't so why is everyone being so contradictory here?

I reject the whole idea of role models, you can't model your life on someone else because no one is perfect and plus it's such a messed up ideal at a basic level. I can understand admiring someone on a proffessional level but expecting them to lead their life with no mistakes is *****ed up.

I'd love to know who's gonna take over really, will it be prostitute loving Rooney? how about that pair of sex tape stars that is Gerrard and Ferdinand? All the team's done wrong so anyone who takes his place for me will be a contradictory decision.

Either way shaking up the team like that, we can forget about the world cup again. Thanks interfering blame shifting parents and trashy tabloids!

Disagree! Nobody is trying to stop him being a footballer, just team captain, which is clearly a role he is not suited to! Anybody in a management role, and the additional salary and other benefits that go with it, is expected to maintain a higher level of self-control and general conduct - it goes with the job. Anyone not prepared to accept that responsibility should not expect such a position. Yes, he is just a footballer - just not a team captain!

And according to your views - John Terry's parents ****ed up big time!

[WOMBAI]

[QUOTE=Shasown;2961263]I think you missed Stacey's point completely there. Doesnt it take two to tango?[/QUOTE]

That is a point I have been trying to make on this forum for some time now! But it appears that it only applies when the male has behaved in such a way - as far as Tibb forum members are concerned anyway!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by wannashag

i dont care, i've got my own life to live
he hasn't killed or raped anybody, so i have no problem with him
whats he done to you, that you are so upset about? does his affair really affect YOU that much? so much so that you want him lynched?

get your head out of the clouds, and come in to the real world

Well obviously more people care, than don't care which is why he is sacked, so perhaps WE are the ones actually living in the real world, and not some fantasy creation in the minds of inarticulate thick chavs who have become overhyped, overpaid, footballers who think they can get away with anything, and the fans who excuse their fraudulent and sleazy behaviour. And please don't put words in my mouth - I didn't want him lynched, just stripped of the captaincy, and, hey ho, JOB DONE!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

He's a footballer, not a role model. That isn't to say that footballers can't be role models, but this one isn't... clearly.

Sure but the Shareholders
Money is above Terry.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Personal attacks, lovely. My parents are proud, I know my own mind and don't suck up everything I read as truth and I don't need to blame others for stuff going wrong in my own life.

WHY should I care what some footballer does off the pitch? It doesn't affect me in any way and I'm not nosey enough to give a *****. As long as he breaks no laws he can do what he likes and I won't care, it doesn't change my life in any major way and neither does it yours. NOBODY in the England team is a role model, very few footballers are. They've all been involved in scandals so excuse me If I don't see them as role models. I'm not sticking up for him I'm just saying I don't care about him off the pitch.

After all that vitriol you've aimed at me for having an opinion, well you must be a paragon of Humanity.

Well actually Terry has committed fraud for which he will be answering next week when the sh*t hits the fan, and which was probably the deciding factor for Capello and why it took only 12 minutes for him to tell Terry to get lost. Last time I looked Fraud was still a criminal offence.